[RTTY] Not in log errors

Thu Jun 20 10:58:52 EDT 2013

 > most times the response will be 'QSL 599 002 002 W1XYZ'.

The problem would be resolved if the calling station would simply
replace QSL with your call - GW4SKA 599 004 004 W4TV or even
GW4SKA 599 004 004 TU.  QSL is not needed - replacing it with even
a long call adds less than one second to the length of the exchange
and using the second form is shorter for most calls.

Contest sponsors could assist by inserting language in their rules
requiring that *both calls be exchanged and acknowledged*.  In many
cases the S&P station *never* transmits (acknowledges) the call of
the station calling CQ:

 >  CQ TEST DE GW4SKA GW4SKA TEST
<  DE W4TV W4TV
 >  W4TV 599 002 002
<  TU 599 4 4 W4TV

  - it's impossible for the CQing station to know if the other station
got the call right.  The problem is getting worse thanks to those using
rig based memories with no keyboard (or paddles in the case of the K3)
since they never send the call of the CQing station.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV

On 6/20/2013 9:55 AM, John GW4SKA wrote:
> That's good advice and should be part of normal good operating. It doesn't
> help when in run mode though. My CQ gets answered by W1XYZ, I send 'W1XYZ
> 599 001 001 ' and most times the response will be 'QSL 599 002 002 W1XYZ'. I
> have no way of knowing if he has logged my call correctly. Do I then ask him
> what call he has for me? No, he's already gone!
>
> It's just another example of balancing accuracy and rate; they will never
> both be optimum.
> John GW4SKA
>
>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Derek  Steele" <pixie at spiceisle.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:05 AM
>> To: "John GW4SKA" <ska at bartg.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] 2013 Roundup Results
>>
>>> Just to add a little clarity to the NOT - IN - LOG problem.  It does
>>> help to not assume that the other station received your report
>>> and wait for the  QSL/TU message or a request for a retransmit
>>> from the other station before moving on.
>>>
>>> Derek - J35X
>>>
>>>
>>> See response to N5UWY below..............
>>>
>>>
>>> ___________________________________________________________
>>> That's just embarrassing.  Lost a mult, even.  Yeesh.  Still get
>>> wallpaper for 1st, SOLP, OK section.  But, man.
>>>
>>> ************************* Not In Log *************************
>>>
>>> 21115 RY 2013-01-05 2300 N5UWY           OK W7YES           OR
>>> 7081 RY 2013-01-06 0104 N5UWY           OK VE3KI           ON
>>> 7084 RY 2013-01-06 0257 N5UWY           OK AA2DT           NY
>>> 7049 RY 2013-01-06 0721 N5UWY           OK G6PZ          0950
>>> 14090 RY 2013-01-06 2312 N5UWY           OK J35X          1041
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
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>>>
>>> My response to Peter as follows.......
>>>
>>>        --------------------------------------------------------
>>> Hello Peter,
>>>                  Was reading your post and saw you mention the
>>> not in log from me.
>>> Curiosity got the better of me and I checked the MMTTY log
>>> file from the contest. See for yourself what happened.
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> .N4NIA QSL J35X CQ
>>> <130106 23:11:49 RX>
>>>
>>> W7/UYEQ89h
>>> 8X DWP
>>> W7 YAQMU
>>> N5UWY
>>> <130106 23:12:05 TX>
>>>
>>> .N5UWY 599 1041 1041
>>> <130106 23:12:11 RX>
>>> HJETXM/?SKX 5UXZQK
>>> <130106 23:12:18 TX>
>>> N5UWY
>>> .QRM AGN PSE ??
>>> <130106 23:12:24 RX>
>>>
>>> L?h V
>>> BX
>>> <130106 23:12:31 TX>
>>> N5UWY
>>> .QRM AGN PSE ??
>>> <130106 23:12:36 RX>
>>> WZN5UWY DE K6Z
>>> DK
>>> <130106 23:12:43 TX>
>>>
>>> .N5UWY 599 1041 1041  N5UWY
>>> <130106 23:12:50 RX>
>>> <130106 23:12:54 TX>
>>>
>>> .N5UWY 599 1041 1041  N5UWY
>>> <130106 23:13:01 RX>
>>> <130106 23:13:05 TX>
>>>
>>> .RU J35X J35X TEST
>>> <130106 23:13:10 RX>
>>> UQ
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>> Your report to me was lost in the QRM.
>>> Could not log anything. Sri about that.
>>>
>>> Derek - J35X
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "John GW4SKA" <ska at bartg.org.uk>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:05 AM
>>> To: "Mark" <n2qt at yahoo.com>; <ed at w0yk.com>
>>> Cc: "Don AA5AU" <aa5au at bellsouth.net>; "Jim W7RY" <w7ry at centurytel.net>;
>>> <rtty at contesting.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] 2013 Roundup Results
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mark" <n2qt at yahoo.com>
>>>>> I assume the NILs are pure errors on my part, wish I knew what I did as
>>>>> they always seem
>>>>> to be the majority of my errors.  I don't track uniques as I typically
>>>>> only have 1 or two,
>>>>> which I guess is from being in a well represented state/section.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark. N2QT
>>>>
>>>> That's the wrong assumption. NILs are most likely to be because someone
>>>> copied your call wrong in their log. Not much you can do about that
>>>> other than watch the screen and hope to see your call is correct at the
>>>> time of the QSO. Anything else takes too long and breaks the rhythm.
>>>> John GW4SKA
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>>>
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