[RTTY] ARRL attack on current RTTY users
Dave AA6YQ
aa6yq at ambersoft.com
Sun Nov 24 13:11:45 EST 2013
If WinLink is ignoring 97.221, then we have the following argument against the ARRL proposal:
1. automatic stations are routinely operating outside the subbands specified in 97.221 (cite http://www.winlink.org/guidelines )
2. automatic stations are not required to deploy busy frequency detectors, and as a result can QRM ongoing QSOs
3. the proposed increase in allowable bandwidth to 2800 hertz would dramatically increase the QRM caused by automatic stations not
equipped with a busy frequency detector
4. the proposed permission of unspecified digital codes would prevent identification of automatic stations operating outside the
subbands specified in 97.221
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 12:52 PM
To: 'Jeff Blaine'
Cc: 'Ron Kolarik'; 'RTTY'
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ARRL attack on current RTTY users
They're wrong. WinLink falls exactly under the description of automatic operation in 97.221:
1. there is no control operator present at the (Winlink server) station
2. The (Winlink server) station is responding to interrogation by a station under local or remote control
<http://www.w5yi.org/page.php?id=136>
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Blaine [mailto:keepwalking188 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:53 AM
To: Dave AA6YQ
Cc: 'Ron Kolarik'; 'RTTY'
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ARRL attack on current RTTY users
Dave,
On this page, the winlink organization argues that they DO NOT fall into the
"automatic" category.
http://www.winlink.org/guidelines
73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Blaine
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:54 PM
To: Dave AA6YQ
Cc: 'Ron Kolarik' ; 'RTTY'
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ARRL attack on current RTTY users
That's great news Dave!
73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:48 PM
To: 'Jeff Blaine'
Cc: 'Ron Kolarik' ; 'RTTY'
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ARRL attack on current RTTY users
Remotely controlled stations and automatically controlled stations are
separately characterized in 97.109:
<http://www.w5yi.org/page.php?id=119>
I've not found a strong definition of either remotely controlled stations
and automatically controlled stations in part 97, but
97.109 makes it clear that they are not the same thing.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Blaine [mailto:keepwalking188 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:38 PM
To: Dave AA6YQ; 'Ron Kolarik'; 'RTTY'
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ARRL attack on current RTTY users
Dave,
I hope you are right. But it seems to me that the case (auto vs. remote
control stations are two different beasts) is contingent on either the FCC
having explicitly defined these two things in such a way that existing law
already supports their difference.
Do we know if the FCC has a definition on the two?
73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:31 PM
To: 'Ron Kolarik' ; 'RTTY'
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ARRL attack on current RTTY users
Automatically controlled stations are not remotely-controlled stations, and
vice versa; thus section IV would not enable the use of
2800 hertz for automatically controlled stations.
My understanding is that WinLink servers are automatically controlled
stations. If my interpretation is correct, these would remain
limited in bandwidth to 500 hertz.
If WinLink or any other network of automatically controlled stations are
advertising the availability of HF servers whose bandwidth
is greater than 500 hertz, I'd appreciate a URL.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kolarik
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:20 PM
To: Dave AA6YQ; RTTY
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ARRL attack on current RTTY users
Dave that looks like more lawyer type weasel words. It says it does not
change the status of AUTOMATICALLY controlled stations. Look at Sec. IV
where
the remotely controlled stations are permitted 2.8khz bw. I don't know how
many fully automatic stations are left on the air except for a few packet
operations, just another slightly misleading part of this monstrosity.
Ron
K0IDT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave AA6YQ" <aa6yq at ambersoft.com>
To: <rtty at contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ARRL attack on current RTTY users
> Section II.8 of
>
> <http://www.arrl.org/files/media/News/Petition%20for%20Rule%20Making%20AS-FILED%2011%2015%202013.pdf>
>
> restates the 500 hertz bandwidth limit on automatically controlled
> stations
> operating in the HF subbands specified by 97.221.
> Footnote 11 says "there is no proposal herein to change the nominal
> bandwidth
> limitation for automatically controlled stations
> transmitting data emissions".
>
> Thus the ARRL's proposal would if adopted not result in any expansion in
> either the
> bandwidth or HF spectrum available to
> automatically controlled stations.
>
> Has anyone reached a different conclusion?
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, AA6YQ
>
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