[RTTY] RTTY Digest, Vol 133, Issue 17
Larry Fields
n6hpx1 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 7 12:42:10 EST 2014
I often times listen and recall the comment about asking if the frequency
is in use but only once got kicked off a frequency as I found out the
SATERN group was holding a net at the time..never stumbled on some one but
if they dont ID I figure it could be they are either not licensed or just
too shy to to tell me as the guy mentioned no one owns the frequency here
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> 1. Re: FREQUENCY IN USE BY ... (JT65/JT9) (Bill Turner)
> 2. Re: Comments by K4SBZ.. (JT65/JT9) (Bill Turner)
> 3. Re: P49X WARC [update] (Ed Muns)
> 4. Re: P49X WARC [update] (Ed Muns)
> 5. 150,000 RTTY Contacts (Don Hill AA5AU)
> 6. RTTY Roundup minimum off time? (Dave Hachadorian)
> 7. Re: Ionospheric Physics (Shelby Summerville)
> 8. Re: RTTY Roundup minimum off time? (Ed Muns)
> 9. Re: Roundup observations - a bit long! (Ian White)
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 20:08:45 -0800
> From: Bill Turner <dezrat1242 at wildblue.net>
> To: RTTY Reflector <rtty at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] FREQUENCY IN USE BY ... (JT65/JT9)
> Message-ID: <hqumc91u642622mi6ffl4juqc03rviokr2 at 4ax.com>
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> ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped)
>
> On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:16:19 -0600, Phil wrote:
>
> >I get on the WARC bands on a regular basis and CQ on RTTY. I have had
> >lots of great QSO's both domestic and DX.
>
> REPLY:
>
> One greatly underused band IMO is 160 meters for RTTY. When I first started
> hanging out there I was told by an old timer "160 meters is no good for
> RTTY". My experience says otherwise. For propagation out to about 100-200
> miles it is superior to all other bands, HF or VHF, day or night. There are
> no dead spots - down in a valley is no different from on top of a hill. If
> you've never worked 160 RTTY before, give it a try.
>
> QSX 1808 most nights. DX, ragchew, anything.
>
> 73, Bill W6WRT
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 20:13:54 -0800
> From: Bill Turner <dezrat1242 at wildblue.net>
> To: RTTY Reflector <rtty at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Comments by K4SBZ.. (JT65/JT9)
> Message-ID: <divmc9tq6gtirc0p8smfled16ub95pgr7k at 4ax.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped)
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:39:39 -0600, Don wrote:
>
> >
> >That being said, I did notice that there were not as many stations
> running RTTY below 28080, 21080, and 14080 kHz MARK as there have
> >been in the past. This tells me that more and more RTTY contesters are
> aware of the other digital modes below 14080 kHz and are
> >respecting those modes. I remember just a year ago when it was not
> uncommon to find signals as low as 14072 kHz on 20 meters. That
> >is changing.
>
> REPLY:
>
> For what it's worth - I no longer operate RTTY below .080, as Don mentions
> above. The PSK and JT crowd have been very good about staying below 080 and
> I think we RTTYers should reciprocate.
>
> 73, Bill W6WRT
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 01:23:06 -0400
> From: "Ed Muns" <ed at w0yk.com>
> To: <rtty at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] P49X WARC [update]
> Message-ID: <3399AB98B9974E118874A1ED5EE34D8B at X2201>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> P49X was active yesterday (Monday, 6 January UTC) on all three WARC bands.
> Not many takers, so operation was on and off every 1-2 hours since there
> are
> lots of other priorities besides listening to unanswered CQs. ;>)
>
> The log is on LotW up through 0437z, 6 Jan 2014. Here are the QSO counts
> for this trip (outside of Round-Up):
>
> 80: 98
> 40: 116
> 39: 116
> 20: 41
> 17: 106
> 15: 205
> 12: 130
> 10: 234
> -------
> 1,046
>
> There are lots of other projects on the agenda for tomorrow but I'll follow
> the same sort of WARC operating schedule starting around 11z. Search P49X
> on DX Summit to see yesterday's activity. I'm sorry not to be able to
> honor
> special requests for specific times/frequencies, etc. But, you should have
> no trouble working P49X sometime on Tuesday. If you are in the US, I
> appreciate your sending your state with the report.
>
> The following US states are needed to complete WAS on the WARC bands:
>
> 30m: AK, HI, ID, MT, NV, ND, SD, VT
> 17m: HI, KY, ND, WV, WY
> 12m: AL, CT, DE, HI, ID, IA, KS, ME, MT, NE, NV, NH, ND, OR, RI, SC, SD,
> UT,
> WV, WY
>
> Look forward to working more stations tomorrow.
>
> Ed P49X
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Muns [mailto:ed at w0yk.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 01:35
> To: 'rtty at contesting.com'
> Subject: P49X WARC
>
> I plan to work the WARC bands on RTTY next Monday and Tuesday for those who
> are interested.
>
> Ed P49X
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 01:27:03 -0400
> From: "Ed Muns" <ed at w0yk.com>
> To: <rtty at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] P49X WARC [update]
> Message-ID: <A9E45B23ED4B499B888B04571DEC9800 at X2201>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Correction: P49X LotW is up-to-date as of 0437, 7 Jan 2014.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ed Muns
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 01:23
> To: rtty at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] P49X WARC [update]
>
> P49X was active yesterday (Monday, 6 January UTC) on all three WARC bands.
> Not many takers, so operation was on and off every 1-2 hours since there
> are
> lots of other priorities besides listening to unanswered CQs. ;>)
>
> The log is on LotW up through 0437z, 6 Jan 2014. Here are the QSO counts
> for this trip (outside of Round-Up):
>
> 80: 98
> 40: 116
> 39: 116
> 20: 41
> 17: 106
> 15: 205
> 12: 130
> 10: 234
> -------
> 1,046
>
> There are lots of other projects on the agenda for tomorrow but I'll follow
> the same sort of WARC operating schedule starting around 11z. Search P49X
> on DX Summit to see yesterday's activity. I'm sorry not to be able to
> honor
> special requests for specific times/frequencies, etc. But, you should have
> no trouble working P49X sometime on Tuesday. If you are in the US, I
> appreciate your sending your state with the report.
>
> The following US states are needed to complete WAS on the WARC bands:
>
> 30m: AK, HI, ID, MT, NV, ND, SD, VT
> 17m: HI, KY, ND, WV, WY
> 12m: AL, CT, DE, HI, ID, IA, KS, ME, MT, NE, NV, NH, ND, OR, RI, SC, SD,
> UT,
> WV, WY
>
> Look forward to working more stations tomorrow.
>
> Ed P49X
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Muns [mailto:ed at w0yk.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 01:35
> To: 'rtty at contesting.com'
> Subject: P49X WARC
>
> I plan to work the WARC bands on RTTY next Monday and Tuesday for those who
> are interested.
>
> Ed P49X
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 00:12:53 -0600
> From: "Don Hill AA5AU" <aa5au at bellsouth.net>
> To: <rtty at contesting.com>
> Subject: [RTTY] 150,000 RTTY Contacts
> Message-ID: <001301cf0b6f$80d9da70$828d8f50$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> After imported my Roundup contacts into my general logging program today,
> I noticed I have now logged over 150,000 contacts on RTTY.
> I can still remember my first RTTY contact in January 1983. I was using a
> homebrew TU (Terminal Unit for you new guys and gals) and
> a Heathkit H-89 computer running the CP/M operating system and homebrew
> software. The TU had two small red LEDs on the front panel -
> one for MARK, the other for SPACE. I remember tuning that first RTTY
> station, seeing the two LEDs flashing back and forth and
> watching intelligible print scroll across the screen of the Heathkit. It
> was like magic.
>
> I soon discovered the BARTG RTTY Contest and the rest is history!
>
> Later I would acquire my dad's H89 computer when he upgraded to a DOS
> machine. I would work the RTTY contests with one H89 and
> manually log on the other H89 using a text editor. That was the start of
> using two PCs during RTTY contesting. It sort of stuck when
> I went to SO2R for the first time in the 1993 ARRL RTTY Roundup using two
> DOS machines and RTTY by WF1B. One computer was a Tandy
> desktop by Radio Shack and the other was a Toshiba laptop. Yes, a DOS
> laptop! I still have it and it still works. Back then the
> computers were not networked, so I had to log certain bands on each
> computer. For example, I would log 15 & 40 meters on one
> computer and 10, 20 & 80 meters on the other. This would allow me to
> operate the band combinations of 10 & 15, 15 & 20, 20 & 40 and
> 40 & 80 which is basically what I still do today. After the contest, I
> used Ray's (WF1B) MERGE program to merge the two BIN files
> into one file before creating the final log. Man, that's was pretty slick
> back then!
>
> 73, Don AA5AU
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 23:13:34 -0700
> From: "Dave Hachadorian" <k6ll.dave at gmail.com>
> To: "reflector RTTY" <rtty at contesting.com>
> Subject: [RTTY] RTTY Roundup minimum off time?
> Message-ID: <22CCFAF932F246179372DC3B58478890 at Toshiba>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> On Saturday evening during the RTTY Roundup, my wife cooked
> something in the kitchen that smelled really wonderful. I ran
> out there, and quickly chowed down. I was off the air for 25
> minutes, and thought I would count that as one of my two allowed
> breaks. My other break was 5 hours and 35 minutes. I didn't see
> anything about 30 minute minimum breaks in the RU rules, but I
> see in the General ARRL Rules that, unless otherwise specified,
> breaks must be 30 minutes minimum.
>
> How is the break time in the Roundup generally interpreted? 30
> minutes minimum? If so, I guess I will will lose some QSO's at
> the end.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 04:19:11 -0500
> From: "Shelby Summerville" <k4ww at twc.com>
> To: <rtty at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Ionospheric Physics
> Message-ID: <2D17E1D0037E48A480CABF64C0E20D91 at acer6e395d0925>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> AA5AU wrote: "The problem is that you would have to look at each contact to
> see if you worked the station previously in the contest, then use a
> different macro to send the S&P exchange. I realize it's not that hard to
> do
> this, but when running SO2R or SO3R, it would become very tiresome to look
> at each call as you work them to see if you worked them before, then use
> separate macros based on the outcome."
>
> IMHO, regardless of how many radios are on your desk, when you are
> operating
> S/P, it is your responsibility to be as efficient as possible to the CQing
> station? After all, it was "your" choice to call! And speaking of
> "tiresome', very little infuriates me more, during a contest, as having to
> wait on a "multiple radio" user to complete a contact on another band,
> before returning to me. If I am CQing, and you answer me, you should be
> ready, immediately, to send the exchange, in an equally efficient format
> that you received it. If you are CQing, and I call you, I immediately
> return
> my exchange. I realize that there are other reasons for the delay, so
> please
> don't remind me of them. This is a competition, with incentives to win,
> regardless of their value. When you value your time, more than you value my
> time, you're being inconsiderate?
> Personally, unless it is a "new", for me, DX station, I seldom turn my
> station on, during the week. That is my "choice", and for those that enjoy
> operating any/all other modes, but not contesting, it is also your "choice"
> to operate during a major contest weekend.
>
> C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 06:05:55 -0400
> From: "Ed Muns" <ed at w0yk.com>
> To: "'Dave Hachadorian'" <k6ll.dave at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'reflector RTTY' <rtty at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] RTTY Roundup minimum off time?
> Message-ID: <2B16F26DD44D46CC8165EED116EB6E9E at X2201>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Unfortunately, that's right. The 25 minutes will not be counted as
> off-time
> in log checking. Therefore, the last 25 minutes of QSOs will not count in
> your score calculation, although they do count for the stations you work
> (if
> the QSOs are within THEIR 24 hours operating time). It's too bad that only
> 5 minutes of QSOs won't be uncounted to make the first break official at 30
> minutes.
>
> Many people don't realized that every ARRL contest has three sets of rules
> that must be taken together. There is a precedence order between them,
> e.g., RTTY Round-Up Rules, General HF Rules and General Rules. It's easy
> to
> miss details with that system.
>
> BTW, I did a similar thing in the 2013 WPX RTTY when I mistakenly had in my
> head the off-time minimum was 30 minutes. (It's 60 minutes in that
> contest.) And I did two short breaks to deal with some problems.
> Accordingly, I lost almost an hour's worth of QSOs and mults at the end of
> my 30-hour operating time. And, I wrote the rules!!
>
> Ed P49X
>
> P.S. How did we miss working each other in Round-Up last weekend?? Your
> dinner?! ;>)
>
> _______________________________________________________________
>
> Dave K6LL wrote:
>
> On Saturday evening during the RTTY Roundup, my wife cooked
> something in the kitchen that smelled really wonderful. I ran
> out there, and quickly chowed down. I was off the air for 25
> minutes, and thought I would count that as one of my two allowed
> breaks. My other break was 5 hours and 35 minutes. I didn't see
> anything about 30 minute minimum breaks in the RU rules, but I
> see in the General ARRL Rules that, unless otherwise specified,
> breaks must be 30 minutes minimum.
>
> How is the break time in the Roundup generally interpreted? 30
> minutes minimum? If so, I guess I will will lose some QSO's at
> the end.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 11:02:43 -0000
> From: "Ian White" <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk>
> To: "'Don Hill AA5AU'" <aa5au at bellsouth.net>, <rtty at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Roundup observations - a bit long!
> Message-ID: <002e01cf0b97$fdeba5c0$f9c2f140$@co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Don wrote:
>
> >If this had been WPX or CQWW, 10 and 15 meters would have
> >been wall-to-wall Europe starting here at 1300Z and probably going well
> >past 2000Z with the high flux we had. That doesn't happen in
> >Roundup. Or least that doesn't happen here during Roundup.
> >
>
> Is that simply because Roundup has no single-band categories? In most
> other contests, even the marginal bands have single-band entries who are
> the anchor for other activity.
>
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Don Hill
> >AA5AU
> >Sent: 06 January 2014 22:08
> >To: rtty at contesting.com
> >Subject: Re: [RTTY] Roundup observations - a bit long!
> >
> >Phil wrote:
> >
> >"There were very few UA's around, and I only saw - and worked ONE
> >solitary UA9. Not sure why."
> >
> >I didn't work a single UA0 or UA9. I could have used the multiplier
> (thanks
> >for GU Phil). I did have a UA0 call me late in the
> >contest on 20M but I just couldn't pull him out. It was either UA0C or
> UA0C-
> >something else. I tried very hard but just couldn't make
> >it.
> >
> >The overall appearance of a lack of DX in the Roundup still amazes me.
> If
> >this had been WPX or CQWW, 10 and 15 meters would have
> >been wall-to-wall Europe starting here at 1300Z and probably going well
> >past 2000Z with the high flux we had. That doesn't happen in
> >Roundup. Or least that doesn't happen here during Roundup.
> >
> >Maybe P49X and VA2UP have a different opinions on this. I just don't
> know.
> >
> >Or maybe it was just ten meters. I was expecting more and definitely
> got
> >less. Because this is a rate contest, when 10 meters is
> >marginal, there's really no reason to go there. But when conditions are
> >"suppose" to be good, everyone is "suppose" to be on ten
> >meters. Perhaps many didn't get the memo.
> >
> >73, Don AA5AU
> >
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