[RTTY] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency

[Al Kozakiewicz]

The issue with the JT modes is that they only work (in a practical sense) on fixed channels.  If you can't hear it, and it takes 2 minutes or whatever to decode it, then you're not going to find it by tuning around - you have to know where to look.  While I agree with Joe w/r/t avoiding the known hangouts, I do have a problem with any mode than can autonomously lay claim to any particular frequency or set of frequencies at the expense of other users just because it won't work without the defacto allocation.

And I have a real problem with 80M where any prohibition on transmitting below .080 effectively limits the band to 20 kHz of RTTY.

Al
AB2ZY

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From: RTTY <rtty-bounces at contesting.com> on behalf of Larry <lknain at nc.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 4:03 PM
To: rtty at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency

FCC says I can transmit RTTY or data from 14.000 to 14.150 for example. Many
countries make no such distinction. So what you are talking about is sort of
Gentleman's agreement or convention. As usual,  in busy contests operators
tend to expand to use whatever part of the band that is legal. In a CW
contest you can often find stations up to 14.130.

So, are we trying to degenerate into the nonsense on 75M of "my frequency"?
If you want the FCC to set aside specific frequencies to a particular mode
you need to go about it in a different way.

I haven't kept track the of the number of times a digital station has just
started transmitting on top of me regardless of mode I was operating without
listening. A very large number.

73, Larry  W6NWS
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 3:05 PM
To: rtty at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency


> 1.  They love their waterfall displays with ridiculously wide
> bandwidths.  When your receiver is broad as a barn door, what to you
> think is going to happen?

The waterfall/broad as a barn door issue is *not* applicable when the
RTTY contesters come down below x.080 and land directly on top of the
JT65/JT9 signals - or go all the way down to xx.071 and wipe out two
or three PSK31 signals at the same time.

> So when their night light gets stepped on by a perfectly legal RTTY
> contester WHO CAN NOT HEAR THEM, they cry foul. Well, duh!

It's not the low power signals ... I've seen it on S9 signals ... the
RTTY ops think they have an inalienable right to QRM any other digital
mode in spite of having nearly > 70 KHz above 14.080 and/or 21.080 with
which to play.

There is no lack of knowledge that there are other digital modes
between xx.070 and xx.080 *on a regular basis*.  Unfortunately, since
the common software (MMTTY, 2-Tone, fldigi, MixW, MMVARI, etc.) does
not decode JT65/JT9, the RTTY contesters don't care and choose *not*
to listen.

It is a simple choice - either listen for a two minute TX/RX cycle to
confirm that the frequency is not in use or don't transmit there.  The
JT65/JT9 operators are not coming above xx.080 to QRM the RTTY guys
but I've heard even the weekend/holiday DXpeditioners set up shop just
below xx.080 (18.103, 24.920, etc.) without regard for *existing*
JT65/JT9 activity and listen up 2-5.

> Contesters have been very good about not using the WARC bands, ever.
> Take a hint.

So?  No contest allows operation there - perhaps RTTY contest sponsors
should take a hint and put xx.080 and below "out of bounds" just as
they have put the WARC bands and the NCDXF beacon frequencies out of
bounds.  After all, RTTY contesters don't transmit on 14.100/21.100
even if they can't hear a signal there.  Take a hint.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-05 1:53 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
> ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped)
>
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 10:05:29 -0500, W4TV wrote:
>
>> RTTY contesters need to learn if the dial reads less than xx.0805 they
>> are causing *intentional QRM* to other modes
>
> REPLY:
>
> Really?  Where does it say that in Part 97?
>
> The non-RTTY digital boys have two self-created problems which only
> they can fix:
>
> 1.  They love their waterfall displays with ridiculously wide
> bandwidths.  When your receiver is broad as a barn door, what to you
> think is going to happen?
>
> and
>
> 2.  Partly because of #1, they insist on running power which is hardly
> more than a night light.
>
> So when their night light gets stepped on by a perfectly legal RTTY
> contester WHO CAN NOT HEAR THEM, they cry foul. Well, duh!
>
> Contesters have been very good about not using the WARC bands, ever.
> Take a hint.
>
> Bill W6WRT
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