[RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans

Al Kozakiewicz akozak at hourglass.com
Sun Feb 7 15:15:28 EST 2016 

Must be a language thing. Otherwise I don't know why there needs to be "rules" for rbn because it receives amateurs operating legally in regions 2&3

The bottom end of RTTY is 7040 in regions 1 and 2, 7025 in 3.  RTTY is legal right to the top of the band in regions 1 & 2. Except...
...the bottom in Canada is 7035, top is 7125 with a  no RTTY gap between 7050 and 7080.
...in the US, the bottom is 7000 for extra class licensees; otherwise 7025.
...Japan is 7025-7200

Al
AB2ZY

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From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of post at lb3re.com
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 11:24 AM
To: Rudy Bakalov
Cc: Don AA5AU; Tim Shoppa; DK4VW Ulrich Mueller; rtty at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans


Well
Then they must fix it in region 3.
There need to be new common rules for rbn sir. :) Much better keep up in band when finally got 100khz extra for" years!!" søndag, 07 februar 2016, 05:04p.m. +01:00 from Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov at yahoo.com> :

>It is hard to argue with the actual RBN data. Data from JA skimmers from CQ WW RTTY 2015 shows Japanese stations in the 7023-28 segment.
>
>Rudy N2WQ
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>From: "post at lb3re.com" < post at lb3re.com >
>To: Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov at yahoo.com >
>Cc: Tim Shoppa < tshoppa at gmail.com >; "rtty at contesting.com" < 
>rtty at contesting.com >; DK4VW Ulrich Mueller < dk4vw at darc.de >; Don 
>AA5AU < aa5au at bellsouth.net >
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>7020 ??? Are you out of mind???
>7040 is absolutly lowest on 40m for RTTY last 5 years!! It all mode 
>going up in band is better
>
>I sit in HF commity of IARU region 1.
>We are enough complain about DQRM of dxpeds. But if skimmers give no care to bandplans? It will be more war in cw segment!!
>73 LB3RE søndag, 07 februar 2016, 04:26p.m. +01:00 from Rudy Bakalov via RTTY  rtty at contesting.com >:
>
>Tim,
>There is one limitation of the RBN data to keep in mind- the vast majority of RTTY skimmers have narrow segments due to the significant CPU requirements to process wide segments. I have set mine to the following, precisely to see what happens during contests like CQ WPX and CQ WW RTTY:
>RttySegments=3523000-3610000,7020000-7105000,14040000-14145000,21040000
>-21155000,28040000-28182000
>
>Rudy N2WQ
>      From: Tim Shoppa < tshoppa at gmail.com >
> To: Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov at yahoo.com >
>Cc: " rtty at contesting.com " < rtty at contesting.com >
> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
>   
>Rudy, that's a brilliant set of graphs. Thank you so much! I'm going to see if I can do the same use reversebeacon data for other major RTTY contests.
>For BARTG I'm not surprised that the EU band plan is adopted, given what the "B" in BARTG stands for.
>But in ARRL RTTY RU I'm surprised we don't let the EU guys CQ below 7050 where they like to be while the NA guys go above 7080. Instead there's a bunch of NA guys below 7050 CQ'ing and making it hard to work the EU. Not a good way to make RTTY RU more popular in EU (and I would like it to be more popular in EU).
>Now, in CQ WW RTTY, all gloves come off :-) Correct me if I'm wrong... 
>in CQ WW RTTY we spread out all the way to 7100. While the EU stuff tends to be lower, I worked a lot of EU RTTY above 7080 in CQ WW RTTY. So I'm thinking it's tradition or avoiding phone QRM that the EU's like to stay lower, that they don't actually have rules prohibiting RTTY above 7080? Maybe in a super major RTTY contest like CQ WW RTTY the phone guys are avoiding 7080-7100 but in the less major contests like ARRL RTTY RU there is not that critical mass to drive phone out of that segment?
>Tim N3QE
>On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov at yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>Here's where the stations are, based on RBN data from BARTG 
>https://public.tableau.com/views/BARTGRTTYSprint2016/FrequencybyContine
>nt?:embed=y&:display_count=yes&:showTabs=y
>
>Rudy N2WQ
>      From: Tim Shoppa < tshoppa at gmail.com >
> To:  rtty at contesting.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 9:48 AM
> Subject: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
>  
>Bill writes:
>> This anomaly on 40 is a result of the JA band restrictions which were 
>> in place for many years. The JAs were limited to
>> 7030-7045 so that's where everyone congregated, even when working non 
>> JAs.
>
>I can certainly understand that perspective from the west coast. But as 
>I see it from the east coast, the reason is that in EU the 40M phone 
>segment starts at 7050 or 7060, and all the EU guys like to be below 
>7050 :-)
>
>40M band plan has improved in recent years, as SW broadcasters move up 
>or out. Still it's very common for 7080 region to be littered with 
>phone stuff from Europe or South America (incidentally... most of them not ID'ing...
>just saying I'm pretty sure it's not legal ham activity.)
>
>In CQ WW there's enough RTTY activity that activity spreads out all the 
>way up past 7080 to 7100 easy.
>
>A real highlight of my RTTY RU 40M experience, given that it happens 
>near winter solstice, is when I'm calling CQ on 40M well before my 
>sunset and work JA's (presumably long path). That's a thrill. So I'm 
>real glad there's been recent improvements to JA 40M RTTY segment.
>
>I'm actually surprised that I had so many QSO's below 7050 in RTTY RU 
>yet there is not a whole lot of EU in RTTY RU. (Certainly not like CQ 
>WW where there is a whole lot of EU activity on 40M and well every 
>band!). Don't get me wrong, I love working the EU guys in RTTY RU, but 
>I'm surprsied that we "adopt the EU band plan" in RTTY RU despite the 
>fact that EU is small compared to domestic stuff in RTTY RU. You might 
>think a more rational approach, would be to let the EU guys CQ below 
>7050, and we go down there to work them, while we are CQ'ing higher up. 
>Instead all the NA guys go CQ'ing below 7050 and make it dang hard to 
>work the EU guys who genuinely have a reason to be dowh there.
>
>80M is still less than optimal with EU able to do RTTY above 3600 but 
>not USA. So in the really big RTTY contests we end up going below 3580 
>which starts some frequency fights with other digital modes in the 
>3570-3580 region.
>
>Tim N3QE
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