[RTTY] Waterfall and CQ conundrum

[Jeff AC0C]

It's probably going to be solved by Alex adding some more AI into the 
pattern decodes.  Trying to get the world of RTTY contest participants to 
follow a certain format is impossible.  After every contest the exchange 
syntax receives some discussion and that topic never seems to gain agreement 
even among the top performing guys.

73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Leslie - W4PK
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:35 PM
To: 'Jeff AC0C' ; rtty at contesting.com ; 'Joe Subich, W4TV'
Subject: RE: [RTTY] Waterfall and CQ conundrum

What about CR/LF after the CQ?

Sam Leslie
w4pk at arrl.net

Inch-by-inch life's a cinch, but yard-by-yard it is really hard



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff AC0C [mailto:keepwalking188 at ac0c.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 2:09 PM
To: rtty at contesting.com; Joe Subich, W4TV
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Waterfall and CQ conundrum

The use of "DE" would be a mess, especially for the people living in DE.

73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 12:51 PM
To: rtty at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Waterfall and CQ conundrum


> If CQ'ing stations want to put the letters CQ at the end of their
> CQ message, they should consider changing to "CQ{period}"  That is
> “CQ.”

CQ<period> requires *four characters* the same as TEST because of the
need to shift to FIGS for the period.  If you are going to use "CQ."
there is no advantage over TEST - it takes the same 330 ms longer than
CQ each time.

I'll leave it to the purists to argue whether 1 second for three CQs
is more effective than losing a QSO (or needing to call CQ again)
because someone tunes past and does not hear CQ ... or losing a run
frequency because someone does not hear CQ and assumes you are
leaving it.

The other solution is to put DE back in the CQ messages and trigger
CQ detection *only* when hearing CQ DE W1LID or QRZ DE W1LID, etc.
That will assure that those calls following  W1LID CQ without a
leading CR/LF do not trigger the CQ detection.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 3/27/2016 1:22 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> Alex, VE3NEA, is the guy who writes the Skimmer code.
>
> He has made two postings in this thread, which, if I understand them
> correctly, are as follows:
> If CQ'ing stations want to put the letters CQ at the end of their CQ
> message, they should consider changing to "CQ{period}"  That is “CQ.”
> Alex says the program will ignore that three-character string.
>
> Stations who are S&P’ing should send a CR/LF before their call sign.  Alex
> says that would be helpful.
>
> Alex is also working on other methods to improve the CQ/S&P uncertainty.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Rinehart via RTTY
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:00 AM
> To: rtty at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Waterfall and CQ conundrum
>
> Ok - so don't use QRZ - got that - Test is too long -  got that too.  So,
> if we don't use CQ and Test is too long, what is the alternative other
> than just waiting for the Skimmer folks to figure it out?
> I don't use Skimmer myself but I can appreciate it's value.  Whether or
> not a person uses Skimmer isn't the issue if I understand it right.  It's
> this thing of Skimmer picking up CQ just in front of a S&P'ers callsign
> and then posting that on the cluster as someone's Run frequency when
> actually that callsign should only be associated with the S&P'er.  Am I
> still confused?  or just Dense!  I Do want to operate correctly even
> though I am just a Little Pistol providing contacts for the Big Boys!  I
> am posting this because there are, no doubt, lots of others out there
> reading this who are just too shy to say anything.  de W4PJW
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