[RTTY] New radio

Fri Sep 29 15:23:43 EDT 2017

Hello Rttyers,

A couple of things come to mind about radios...engineers design new radios
based on their knowledge which may include some on the air operation.

Then the cost people come in and decide which of the features will in fact
be implemented and what the sales price will be. The typical cost to build
ratio to the sales price is often 1:3 or what the market will bear.

This is true also when it comes to software in health care. The software is
designed by IT people. Believe me, Docs are not consulted...rather shown,
"here is your new software," where we then say, "But...but...but AND I DO
NOT SEE... ."

I also know the old maxim engineers use, "We solve problems you did know you
had in ways you do not understand."

Software is not much different than hardware when it comes the design
process.

There is an old joke about software design. The IT people come to the
project manager explaining a new "bug" they found. The PM looks it over and
says, "Great, document that, we have a new feature!"

In these days of feature rich computer radios, many times we look at menus
under menus trying to make to radio do what we want. That's a long ways from
the days I used a Collins S Line. You dialed up a frequency that was about
14084, and tuned in the station with a TU connected to a model 19. It went
clack clack clark. You read the printed page, and said, "Yea, I got him."

Food for thought.

73, Grant, W5XB

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   1. Re: New Radio (V Sidarau)
   2. Re: New Radio (Don AA5AU)
   3. Re: New Radio (Rudy Bakalov)
   4. WAEDCRTTY (Ken Eigsti)
   5. Re: WAEDCRTTY (Ken K6MR)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 13:18:51 -0400
From: "V Sidarau" <vs_otw at rogers.com>
To: "'RTTY Reflector'" <rtty at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] New Radio
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>>> The 6300 is RATED for normal RTTY use at 100 watts by Flex, IIRC - don't
think any of the other 100 watt radios have this rating.

>>> Jerry W4UK

All Icoms do 100% duty cycle in RTTY, including 200W ones and the IC-PW1 1KW
solid state PA.     

73,
Vlad VE3TM

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At 01:21 AM 9/28/2017, Bill Turner wrote:
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>On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 17:53:05 -0700, Mark wrote:
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> >
> >Does it do 100 watts out on AFSK? One of the reasons I use an 
> >interface and true FSK is to get 100 watts out of my 7600. AFSK would 
> >limit to about 66 watts if everything is dialed in correctly.
>
>REPLY:
>
>Yes, the 6300 does full power on AFSK and all modes for that matter.
>
>Remember, when the 6300 is in RTTY mode, it's really AFSK but as I said 
>before you can't tell the difference. In other words, there is no need 
>to adjust audio drive level, etc.  Just dial in the power you want and 
>go.
>
>73, Bill W6WRT
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:39:09 +0000 (UTC)
From: Don AA5AU <aa5au at bellsouth.net>
To: "RTTY at contesting.com" <RTTY at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] New Radio
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Thanks to everyone for all the information provided. It's nice to see there
are options to adding an external receive antenna to the '7300. They both
seem like good solutions but Icom could have made things a lot easier by
just adding the external RX antenna port to the radio to begin with. It
would have added some cost but it seems to me it would have been worth it.
73, Don AA5AU
      From: Don AA5AU <aa5au at bellsouth.net>
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 Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [RTTY] New Radio

I've been looking closely at the IC-7300 myself. It comes highly recommended
by a couple of people I trust. The only thing I don't like about it is that
it doesn't have a separate receive antenna port when I need for 160M.
I see the TS-590SG does not have a band scope but the '7300 does. I think
that's a very valuable feature to have in a radio. If the '590 has an
external IF output (like the TS-870) then you can create a band scope on
your PC using an inexpensive SDR. But so far I can't find where it does.
Don AA5AU
? ? ? From: Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com>
 To: Alan <alan at wd9gmk.net>; RTTY at contesting.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 4:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [RTTY] New Radio
? 
The Kenwood TS590SG and ICOM IC-7300 radios are frequently listed as the
best you can get without spending Elecraft money, and if I had the money to
burn I'd probably have one of them.

73,
Sean WA1TE

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 5:37 PM Alan <alan at wd9gmk.net> wrote:

> It is time to buy a replacement for the FT-990.? Fried something during
> the CQWW RTTY Test.
>
> I am looking for advice.
>
> What new rig would you buy for less than $2000?
>
> Alan
>
> WD9GMK
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 19:12:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: Rudy Bakalov <r_bakalov at yahoo.com>
To: RTTY Reflector <rtty at contesting.com>, Bill Turner
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 I am curious how others use the band scope. That is, others that mostly run
rather than S&P.
As an Assisted station my source of data points on what freq to go is the
Mults window and the bandmap populated with calls. When I use the band map I
only use it to find a reasonably quiet frequency. Once I park myself on the
frequency I switch the span to +1 2.5 KHz and only use the scope to avoid
QRM from nearby stations.
What am I missing? Or is the band scope more useful to S&P stations and
perhaps more narrowly to un-assisted S&P stations?
Rudy N2WQ
    On Thursday, September 28, 2017, 1:03:34 PM EDT, Bill Turner
<dezrat at outlook.com> wrote:  

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On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 13:41:11 +0000 (UTC), Don wrote:

>I see the TS-590SG does not have a band scope but the '7300 does. I think
that's a very valuable feature to have in a radio.

REPLY:

If you're serious about the band scope (aka spectrum scope) you really
should check out the Flex Radio series.? I have owned a 7300 and it's
a nice radio, but the Flex band scope way out classes it, especially
when used with a second monitor so it can be run full screen. . 

73, Bill W6WRT
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 16:18:59 -0600
From: Ken Eigsti <diverkene at gmail.com>
To: rtty at contesting.com
Subject: [RTTY] WAEDCRTTY
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Does anyone know the status of the WAE RTTY test in November? Home page
(via link from Don's RTTY.contsting) says "Not Found".

Seems like last year it was maybe taken over by some group? Can't remember.

Thanks
Ken W0LSD

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 22:25:20 +0000
From: Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com>
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On the main WAE page:
http://www.darc.de/der-club/referate/conteste/worked-all-europe-dx-contest/e
n/

It says:

RTTY: November, second full weekend
Saturday, November 11, 2017, 0000 UTC until Sunday, November 12, 2017, 2359
UTC

As far as I can tell  everything looks ok.

Ken K6MR

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Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 15:19
To: rtty at contesting.com<mailto:rtty at contesting.com>
Subject: [RTTY] WAEDCRTTY

Does anyone know the status of the WAE RTTY test in November? Home page
(via link from Don's RTTY.contsting) says "Not Found".

Seems like last year it was maybe taken over by some group? Can't remember.

Thanks
Ken W0LSD
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