[RTTY] FSK Keying of TS-590SG

Fri Feb 23 23:43:14 EST 2018

Thanks for the good information Joe. I hope to get some time this 
weekend to play around with some transistors and resistors on a 
breadboard and see how that works out. I'll put the serial card back in 
the computer that has the 5V logic. It seems like years ago many of the 
serial ports would have a good 12 or 15 volts on them.

73,
Tim WS4V

On 2/23/2018 6:32 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> However, I was not aware that AFSK could provide a better and
>> narrower signal than FSK.
> Only if you are scrupulous in keeping the drive level to the rig
> below the distortion/saturation point, keep RF off the audio cable
> *and* make sure the "ground" (audio return) is not broken.
>
> In addition, it is crucial that Windows be configured so that it
> will not send any of its own noises, streaming audio, DX Alerts,
> etc. to the sound card/audio port being used for AFSK.
>
>> I am bound and determined to get FSK working and plan to try a
>> switching transistor as you suggest.
>
> Many newer serial ports are 3.3V logic instead of 5V or even 10V
> as in the old days.  With a lower voltage, the base (current limiting)
> resistor in both opto-isolator and switching transistor interfaces
> need to be much lower than shown in older designs.  Measure the
> voltage on the FSK (TxD?) line from your serial port and choose
> a resistor that allows enough current to saturate the LED in the
> opto-isolator and/or create +1V on the base of a switching transistor.
>
> Note: with MMTTY and a USB to serial adapter, you will probably need
> to use the EXTFSK driver as, except in limited cases, most USB to
> serial adapters no longer support data rates below 300 bps.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2/23/2018 5:18 PM, groupsrichart at gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Thanks for the input. I am bound and determined to get FSK working 
>> and plan to try a switching transistor as you suggest. However, I was 
>> not aware that AFSK could provide a better and narrower signal than 
>> FSK. I will have to learn a bit about that and consider switching! My 
>> previous forays into RTTY were in the '70s when AFSK was shunned by 
>> most operators. I imagine improvements in producing clean audio 
>> signals has changed that.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tim WS4V
>>
>> On 2/23/2018 3:47 PM, David G3YYD wrote:
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Use a switching transistor as per N1MM wiki on interfaces see 
>>> http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Serial+Parallel+and+Sound+Card+Interfacing&highlight=interface+cw#Interfacing_for_PTT_and_CW_Keying 
>>>
>>>
>>> Opto-Isolators are not needed.
>>>
>>> Even better would be to use AFSK as that will have narrower 
>>> transmission width than rig based FSK. It will also be jitter free 
>>> unlike MMTTY FSK making copy at the far end better. If you use MMTTY 
>>> AFSK then configure it for the TX filter on with tap set at 51, the 
>>> default setting for this is not very good.
>>>
>>> 73 David G3YYD
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> groupsrichart at gmail.com
>>> Sent: 23 February 2018 19:49
>>> To: KenwoodTS-590 at yahoogroups.com; rtty at contesting.com; 
>>> TS-590 at groups.io; TS-590S at yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [RTTY] FSK Keying of TS-590SG
>>>
>>> I would like to hear from anyone who is successfully keying the FSK 
>>> and PTT lines via the ACC2 connector on the rear panel of the 
>>> TS-590SG. What serial adapter and what hardware interface are you 
>>> using to do so?
>>>
>>> I have tried two different interfaces using optoisolators to attempt 
>>> FSK and PTT keying from a serial card to the rear panel ACC2 
>>> connector. Both attempts have failed. I am using MMTTY software for 
>>> keying and I do get the requisite signal change on TXD pin 3 (FSK) 
>>> and RTS pin 7 (PTT) lines. I have also verified proper setup of the 
>>> '590 by manually grounding the inputs PKS pin 9 (PTT) and RTTY pin 2 
>>> (FSK) on the ACC2 connector.
>>>
>>> However, I *think* the problem lies with the serial card not 
>>> providing enough voltage/current for the optoisolators to completely 
>>> turn on and provide a hard ground to the ACC2 inputs. I have tried 
>>> two different serial cards and one swings from -4.9 to +5.0 VDC on 
>>> the data lines and the other card swings from -3.8 to +3.9 VDC. The 
>>> cards I am using are a two port generic PCI Express SI-PEX15037 and 
>>> a four port Perle Fast 4 PCI card. Does anyone know of a serial card 
>>> that has a full -12 to +12 VDC swing?
>>>
>>> One of the hardware interfaces has 4N25 optoisolators and the other 
>>> uses Fairchild FOD852 optoisolators. There are 1K series resistors 
>>> in the input line to the optoisolators and I have tried various 
>>> values (100,
>>> 220 & 470Ω) with limited success but nothing consistent.
>>>
>>> While my objective was to keep the rig isolated from the computer, I 
>>> am thinking about building an interface that uses NPN transistors 
>>> for keying. Is anyone using NPN transistors to key their '590? Are 
>>> you tying the ground from pin 5 of the RS-232 port to the pin 4, 8 
>>> or 12 ground of the ACC2?
>>>
>>> Any input is appreciated...I have been off RTTY since purchasing 
>>> this rig in November and I want to get back on the bands.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tim WS4V
>>>
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