[SCCC] W6TK - ARRL DX CW
Bill Haddon
haddon.bill at gmail.com
Mon Feb 18 17:24:01 EST 2019
Marko,
Your point is well-taken. but . . . .
1) The pile-up on V4/W3UL was fairly small and easily managed.
2) There were two other pileups going at the same timeon 20cw, both much
larger:
KP2M . . announcing his call very frequently and doing fine (1st-rate
op)
V51YJ .. monster pileup. . this op was much less experienced and
slower, maybe repeating his call too often! But also managing his pileup
just fine.
It seems that about 2/3 of stations are using spots based on 3830scores.com
postings. Given the poor accuracy of many spots, call sign announcment
might be valuable even for stations in assisted categories.
In my own Eu pileup Sunday morning it was especially annoying when
stations, some v. strong, just popped their call in w/o listening first.
Many of the callers usually 100 w or, occasionally, 5w, were weak and
difficult to copy.
73 Bill n6zfo
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 11:00 PM Marko Myllymaki <
marko.l.myllymaki at gmail.com> wrote:
> I do have bit different take on this having been on other end and using my
> own time and dollars to travel and operating from rare places.
> I have also been accused of not iding in past often enough and I have tried
> to improve my operating and it is probably better now.
> However, giving your call is part of managing pileup and every time you ID
> you invite more people into pile-up who otherwise may not yet get in. I
> definitely do not support requirement to ID on every QSO (as some people
> insist we should do). It does not make sense. Also, it is you, who are in
> the pileup ultimately who is deciding to stick around or not. If station
> in
> other end does not give the call, he does not want more people, ie you to
> get into pile-up at that moment. He already has enough stations to handle
> or more than he can rapidly handle and more stations would further slow him
> down. You are free to move on. If you decide to stick around when not
> knowing who station is, then that is your decision. Yes, I know it is
> annoying when waiting that ID, and even this weekend I did not like couple
> stations who took long time to ID. But I completely myself decided what to
> do about it, stay or move on. I moved on one time.
> Just my opinion.
> 73 de Marko N5ZO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SCCC <sccc-bounces at contesting.com> On Behalf Of Bill Haddon
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:44 PM
> To: Bruce Horn <bhorn at hornucopia.com>
> Cc: SCCC Reflector <sccc at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] W6TK - ARRL DX CW
>
> Bruce, WA7BNM, wrote;
> >While CQWW may have a rule regarding timely IDing, I'm not sure how
> >much
> it's enforced.
>
> I guess documented complaints would be req'd. . probably we're otherwise
> occupied after the contest.
> My work-around to allow un-assisted stations to retrieve the call after a
> minute might be helpful, but of course it might be tempt some to use other
> spots. On the other hand, honor system has to prevail, or our whole sport
> falls apart.
>
> Still a rule would be useful,. . so if I were to write to W3UL, I could
> cite the rule and say please don't do this. But there is no rule for ARRL
> contests.
>
> 73 Bill n6zfo
>
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 9:34 PM Bruce Horn <bhorn at hornucopia.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > While CQWW may have a rule regarding timely IDing, I'm not sure how
> > much it's enforced. Timely IDing in this weekend's DX CW contest
> > seemed better than either CQWW DX contest from last fall when I had to
> > wait minutes for at least a half-dozen stations to ID. This type of
> > rule seems to be more aspirational than enforceable.
> >
> > 73 de Bruce, WA7BNM (bhorn at hornucopia.com)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Haddon" <haddon.bill at gmail.com>
> > To: "Dick Stepanian" <dickw6tk at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "SCCC Reflector" <sccc at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:26:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SCCC] W6TK - ARRL DX CW
> >
> > W6TK wrote:
> > >Frustration on Sunday afternoon: why
> > don't guys sign their calls - and why do callers just keep calling?
> >
> > ARRL is in the contesting stone age. . .CQWW adopted the ID rule some
> > time ago. . from CQWW 2018 rules:
> >
> > *XII. JUDGING:*
> >
> > . . . . . unsportsmanlike conduct may lead to disciplinary action by
> > the Committee.
> >
> > *A. Unsportsmanlike Conduct:* Examples of unsportsmanlike conduct
> > include, but are not limited to:
> >
> > . . . . . .
> >
> > 6. Running stations not identifying in a timely manner (i.e., 1 minute).
> > ==========================
> >
> > Worst offender on Sunday:
> > V4/W3UL -- wasted 5 mins. He was my 2nd QSO in the contest at 0001 on
> 20m
> > on Fri. Also. . TF3SG Sunday afternoon, but at least it was a new QSO.
> >
> > But, W3UL did supply an important multiplier for us.
> >
> > Otherwise, not too much problem with failure to id. . at least in my
> case
> > (700 Q's and 500,000 pints) . . no actually points (did not drink
> 807's
> > during the contest -- half a million of them would be somewhat
> excessive).
> >
> > [A possible answer . . if a station doesn't ID in a minute, allow
> > Non-assisted ops to look at the spot for that station.]
> >
> > 73 Bill N6ZFO
> >
> > PS . . Dick, I heard KA3DRR on 20m Saturday afternoon. . Is he back?
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 4:11 PM Dick Stepanian <dickw6tk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > ARRL DX Contest, CW - 2019
> > >
> > > Call: W6TK
> > > Operator(s): W6TK
> > > Station: W6TK
> > >
> > > Class: SOAB HP
> > > QTH: SB
> > > Operating Time (hrs): 19
> > >
> > > Summary:
> > > Band QSOs Mults
> > > -------------------
> > > 160: 9 8
> > > 80: 56 35
> > > 40: 124 52
> > > 20: 362 94
> > > 15: 60 30
> > > 10: 0 0
> > > -------------------
> > > Total: 611 219 Total Score = 401,427
> > >
> > > Club: Southern California Contest Club
> > >
> > > Comments: I thought Friday evening was great condx. 40 Mtrs -
> > > stateside guys were down in signal strength while DX was coming
> > > through well. I
> > was
> > > originally
> > > planning on 20 Mtr Single Band - but 40, 80 and even 160 with my
> > > wimpy sloper was somewhat productive. Even worked several EU's on
> > > 80. I though Sat night was much noisier than Friday night,
> > > Frustration on Sunday afternoon: why don't guys sign their calls -
> > > and why do callers just keep calling?
> > Single
> > > op forces me
> > > to wait for the DX station to either sign his call or wait for all
> > > the callers to pause long enough to copy the call. Some guys have
> > > it down
> > good
> > > - ID every few Q's
> > > at most! Oh well - nothing new! Fun to have BIC. Until next time -
> 73.
> > > Dick
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