[SCCC] LotW question

Tue Jun 11 22:19:46 EDT 2024

The verification is actually what makes me *want* to use LoTW.  It's a
straightforward process and postcard verification is still much, much
faster than waiting for direct cards in the mail from overseas, even more
so the bureau.  It really is the electronic version of paper QSLing,
because of these things like the blind QSO confirmation mentioned above.
LoTW is interchangeable with real, paper cards for real contacts in my
book, and the other sites that have less than that level of verification,
to me, do not provide the satisfaction of earning the 'real' DXCC award
that people have been chasing since it's inception.  Whether or not the
league continues to run the service, it's only with a system of
cryptographic signatures and validating one's station/license address that
you can match the same level of verification that the manual paper card
check process provided.  I would be significantly less interested in DXing
and awards if the only awards were based on the QRZ model, and there's no
reason there cant be both flavors once the league or another service steps
in to complete actual verification and ensure the validity of a 2024 DXCC
is the of the same standard as a 1954 DXCC.

-Paul W8GJK

On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 6:54 PM Paul Gacek via SCCC <sccc at contesting.com>
wrote:

> Ryan
>
> What separates LoTW from the other systems you cataloged is everything you
> want to remove. The address verification, public/private key pair etc is to
> attempt to minimize “bogus” QSLs. ARRL is striving to ensure the two
> parties claiming to have a QSO have been vetted and it is really them
> uploading one half of a QSO. The blind aspect of QSO confirmation (I.e I
> don’t know who claims to have had a QSO with me until I upload a “matching”
> record) is good.
>
> Once again I rather like these approaches.
>
> As shared I’m not a big award chaser and don’t see the value in uploading
> to eQSL, QRZ but to each his own…..just like our elections!!
>
> Paul
>
> > On Jun 11, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Ryan Huggins <KI6BTY at pm.me> wrote:
> >
> > I'd love to see them modernize the system.  Remove the postcard
> requirement (do we REALLY need address verification for QSOs????), have a
> sign-up process like every other site out there (create an account and
> you're good to go), and remove the need for tQSL and just allow the
> uploading of QSOs directly... like all the other sites do.
> >
> > After all the drama this past year though, my days of paying for
> anything ARRL are over for the foreseeable future.  QRZ awards are instant,
> free, and show up nicely on my profile page.  That's good enough for me.
> I'm heavily leaning towards not using logbook now.  This outage has
> definitely shown me I can live without it.
> >
> > -73
> > Ryan, KI6BTY
> >
> >
> >> On Tuesday, June 11th, 2024 at 12:31 PM, Paul Gacek <w6png at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’d miss it and I’m a very modest award chaser.
> >>
> >> I don’t mind paying for the awards as to me DXCC has some real value,
> is recognized and not necessarily an easy achievement for all.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 6:58 PM, Ryan Huggins KI6BTY at pm.me wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm just hoping they'll take this time to fix some of the problems and
> maybe modernize the system. I'm on QRZ, ClubLog, HRDLog, eQSL, and probably
> a few others. I'm not worried about LotW not coming back. It's relevance to
> my life was never there. I chase the QRZ achievements/awards instead of the
> ARRL ones because once you earn them, you get them. There is no cost to
> have someone review your entries and sign-off. It's all automated, free,
> and instant.
> >>>
> >>> -73
> >>> Ryan, KI6BTY
> >>>
> >>>> On Tuesday, June 11th, 2024 at 10:08 AM, Paul Gacek w6png at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Look on the bright side….it should come back. The alternative of it
> not has to be a small but real probability.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 5:55 PM, Ryan Huggins via SCCC
> sccc at contesting.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I imagine the longer that it's down, the backlog of QSOs to upload
> will grow considerably. I suspect we'll see processing delays greater than
> last year when that one guy upload 10 years worth of logs. As of this
> writing, I have 993 QSOs to send once it comes back online.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -73
> >>>>> Ryan, KI6BTY
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Monday, June 10th, 2024 at 9:14 PM, Bruce Horn
> bhorn at hornucopia.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Until the lotw.arrl.org server is back on line after the ARRL's
> cyber attack, we're unable to upload logs. It appears that the ARRL is not
> publicizing any expected dates for restoration of any of the affected
> services, but announces them once they're available.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 73 de Bruce, WA7BNM (bhorn at hornucopia.com)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "k6ll dave" k6ll.dave at gmail.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To: "Phil Minch" ki4mug at gmail.com, "SCCC Reflector"
> sccc at contesting.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:01:58 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [SCCC] LotW question
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have several contest logs that I've been trying to upload for
> several
> >>>>>> weeks. I try every few days, with no luck. I have submitted hundreds
> >>>>>> of these in the past with no problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> >>>>>> Yuma, AZ
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6/10/2024 7:09 PM, Phil Minch wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I know that the LotW website is offline, but does TQSL still work
> to upload
> >>>>>>> files? I tried it Saturday night and it looks like it worked. On
> Sunday
> >>>>>>> night I attempted to upload the rest of my log from the VHF
> contest and got
> >>>>>>> an error message. Tried again today and the message says those Q's
> have
> >>>>>>> already been uploaded. That may be because the tq8 file for those
> was
> >>>>>>> created already, but I don't know enough about the process.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What have the other SCCCers found?
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