[SCCC] SCCC Digest, Vol 275, Issue 13

Wed Nov 12 01:55:53 EST 2025

Dennis - the "File Explorer" function is different (for me) in W11 vs. W10.
It's hard to explain here, but basically if I want to transfer (or copy)
files into sub-folders, I have to go into C:/users/Jim/pictures (or
documents).  It was more straightforward in W10.  It's taken me a while to
'find' files in W11.  73 - Jim

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 17:21:45 -0800
From: "Dennis Younker NE6I" <NE6I at cox.net>
To: "'Jim Price'" <jnprice at pacbell.net>,	<sccc at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [SCCC] Windows 10 to Windows 11
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Jim,

How so? I won't swear to it but I don't recall any file
location/organization changes when I upgraded a couple of years ago. 

--Dennis NE6I

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Mike, I ran the PC Health Care app to check that my laptop was adequate for
W11.  The response was yes.  So I went ahead and upgraded to W11.  Seemed to
go OK. I'm still struggling a bit with file locations and organization
compared to W10.
73, Jim K6ZH 

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  2. Re: Windows 10 to Windows 11 (David Hachadorian)
  3. Re: Windows 10 to Windows 11 (Aaron Lusk)
  4. Re: Windows 10 to Windows 11 (Ryan Huggins)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 16:41:27 -0700
From: NA6MB Mike <na6mb.mike at gmail.com>
To: Mike NA6MB <NA6MB.mike at gmail.com>
Subject: [SCCC] Windows 10 to Windows 11
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So support from Microsoft Windows    owns 10 has stopped.

There are ways to convert ?non-complaint? motherboard. 
There is even a ?not recommended? Microsoft provided method on the MS
website. 

What are you all doing about this?
Current PCs ok/compliant already?
New PCs?
Used a bypass / ?not recommended? method?

We are trying to decide if we should bite the bullet and buy 3-4 new
computers.

Mike
NA6MB 

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 18:19:58 -0700
From: David Hachadorian <k6ll.dave at gmail.com>
To: reflector SCCC <sccc at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [SCCC] Windows 10 to Windows 11
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I recently bought a WIN 11 minicomputer for about $250.? CPU has a cpumark
score of about 23,000, 16 GB ram, 512 GB SSD.? Black Friday is coming up.?
There should be a tone of deals.? Watch www.slickdeals.com

It works great on all modes with N1MM.? One limitation is that the only
sound input is mono mic.? If your rigs have a built-in sound CODECs,? 
that's no problem.? If not, you can use a cheap usb sound device.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ

On 11/10/2025 4:41 PM, NA6MB Mike wrote:
> So support from Microsoft Windows    owns 10 has stopped.
>
> There are ways to convert ?non-complaint? motherboard.
> There is even a ?not recommended? Microsoft provided method on the MS
website.
>
> What are you all doing about this?
> Current PCs ok/compliant already?
> New PCs?
> Used a bypass / ?not recommended? method?
>
> We are trying to decide if we should bite the bullet and buy 3-4 new
computers.
>
> Mike
> NA6MB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 17:34:35 -0800
From: Aaron Lusk <admin at caservers.net>
To: David Hachadorian <k6ll.dave at gmail.com>
Cc: reflector SCCC <sccc at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [SCCC] Windows 10 to Windows 11
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Some computers just need a BIOS update and or have their TPM modules
enabled. Most manufacturers have info on their websites. 

If the computer is too old to support the TPM requirements of windows 11 it
should be replaced. Do not force Windows 11 to run on theses systems. 

Aaron G. Lusk, K6USY
W6FSC WRVX201
559-905-4180
Sent from iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2025, at 5:20?PM, David Hachadorian <k6ll.dave at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> ?I recently bought a WIN 11 minicomputer for about $250.  CPU has a 
> cpumark score of about 23,000, 16 GB ram, 512 GB SSD.  Black Friday is 
> coming up.  There should be a tone of deals.  Watch www.slickdeals.com
> 
> It works great on all modes with N1MM.  One limitation is that the only
sound input is mono mic.  If your rigs have a built-in sound CODECs,  that's
no problem.  If not, you can use a cheap usb sound device.
> 
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
> 
>> On 11/10/2025 4:41 PM, NA6MB Mike wrote:
>> So support from Microsoft Windows    owns 10 has stopped.
>> 
>> There are ways to convert ?non-complaint? motherboard.
>> There is even a ?not recommended? Microsoft provided method on the MS
website.
>> 
>> What are you all doing about this?
>> Current PCs ok/compliant already?
>> New PCs?
>> Used a bypass / ?not recommended? method?
>> 
>> We are trying to decide if we should bite the bullet and buy 3-4 new
computers.
>> 
>> Mike
>> NA6MB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 01:48:44 +0000
From: Ryan Huggins <KI6BTY at pm.me>
To: NA6MB Mike <na6mb.mike at gmail.com>,    Southern California Contesting
    Club <sccc at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [SCCC] Windows 10 to Windows 11
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There are some workarounds to keep Windows 10 updates coming for another
year or so.  Personally, I'm sticking with Windows 10.  I have more than
enough experience working on discontinued windows versions over the years
and I have zero desire to shell out for a new computer because Billy Gates
tells me to.  I still have old laptops running Windows 7, for what that's
worth.

For the light computing I do for work and the 20 year old games I play, my
existing machine is more than sufficient.  I also have over 20 years in
Corporate IT and the last 10 of those in System and Data Security, so I have
better safeguards than the average user.

For my radio PC, N3FJP, 101 CATS (FTDX101 control program), and Com0Com all
run on Windows 10.  FLDIGI is so old, it probably runs on Windows 95 still!
A VLAN that only connects out to the cloud logging and QRZ type sites will
be more than sufficient security for that machine.

I am looking into Linux options as well.  I have two NUCs that came with 11
on it, back when you could still bypass the MS Store account creation, and I
just use those for digi contesting and remote ops, so they don't even get
updated.  The last update killed the audio right as Field Day started.  I'm
not impressed with 11 and far from impressed with MS's ability to provide
tested updates... much like HRD's latest release!

-73
Ryan, KI6BTY

On Monday, November 10th, 2025 at 4:08 PM, NA6MB Mike <na6mb.mike at gmail.com>
wrote:

> So support from Microsoft Windows owns 10 has stopped.
> 
> There are ways to convert ?non-complaint? motherboard.
> There is even a ?not recommended? Microsoft provided method on the MS
website.
> 
> What are you all doing about this?
> Current PCs ok/compliant already?
> New PCs?
> Used a bypass / ?not recommended? method?
> 
> We are trying to decide if we should bite the bullet and buy 3-4 new
computers.
> 
> Mike
> NA6MB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 17:43:16 -0800
From: Phil Minch <ki4mug at gmail.com>
To: Dennis Younker NE6I <NE6I at cox.net>
Cc: Jim Price <jnprice at pacbell.net>, sccc at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [SCCC] Windows 10 to Windows 11
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The main issue I had with the upgrade is that it triggered updates in other
programs. I had a sluggish computer for a week due to updates.
As for file structure, it didn't change, but File Explorer had a new look to
it after the update that I had to fiddle with and I still don't like it.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 5:23?PM Dennis Younker NE6I <NE6I at cox.net> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> How so? I won't swear to it but I don't recall any file 
> location/organization changes when I upgraded a couple of years ago.
>
> --Dennis NE6I
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SCCC <sccc-bounces at contesting.com> On Behalf Of Jim Price
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2025 9:08 AM
> To: sccc at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] SCCC Digest, Vol 275, Issue 11
>
> Mike, I ran the PC Health Care app to check that my laptop was 
> adequate for W11.  The response was yes.  So I went ahead and upgraded to
W11.
> Seemed to go OK. I'm still struggling a bit with file locations and 
> organization compared to W10.
> 73, Jim K6ZH
>
> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
>
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>   1. Windows 10 to Windows 11 (NA6MB Mike)
>   2. Re: Windows 10 to Windows 11 (David Hachadorian)
>   3. Re: Windows 10 to Windows 11 (Aaron Lusk)
>   4. Re: Windows 10 to Windows 11 (Ryan Huggins)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 16:41:27 -0700
> From: NA6MB Mike <na6mb.mike at gmail.com>
> To: Mike NA6MB <NA6MB.mike at gmail.com>
> Subject: [SCCC] Windows 10 to Windows 11
> Message-ID: <F05A8037-E520-4909-A881-5539D051AE76 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> So support from Microsoft Windows    owns 10 has stopped.
>
> There are ways to convert ?non-complaint? motherboard.
> There is even a ?not recommended? Microsoft provided method on the MS 
> website.
>
> What are you all doing about this?
> Current PCs ok/compliant already?
> New PCs?
> Used a bypass / ?not recommended? method?
>
> We are trying to decide if we should bite the bullet and buy 3-4 new 
> computers.
>
> Mike
> NA6MB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 18:19:58 -0700
> From: David Hachadorian <k6ll.dave at gmail.com>
> To: reflector SCCC <sccc at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] Windows 10 to Windows 11
> Message-ID: <eb3dcd4e-342d-4064-b81e-6b36ebbaaa60 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> I recently bought a WIN 11 minicomputer for about $250.? CPU has a 
> cpumark score of about 23,000, 16 GB ram, 512 GB SSD.? Black Friday is
coming up.?
> There should be a tone of deals.? Watch www.slickdeals.com
>
> It works great on all modes with N1MM.? One limitation is that the 
> only sound input is mono mic.? If your rigs have a built-in sound CODECs,?
> that's no problem.? If not, you can use a cheap usb sound device.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
> On 11/10/2025 4:41 PM, NA6MB Mike wrote:
> > So support from Microsoft Windows    owns 10 has stopped.
> >
> > There are ways to convert ?non-complaint? motherboard.
> > There is even a ?not recommended? Microsoft provided method on the 
> > MS
> website.
> >
> > What are you all doing about this?
> > Current PCs ok/compliant already?
> > New PCs?
> > Used a bypass / ?not recommended? method?
> >
> > We are trying to decide if we should bite the bullet and buy 3-4 new
> computers.
> >
> > Mike
> > NA6MB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SCCC at contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/sccc
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>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 17:34:35 -0800
> From: Aaron Lusk <admin at caservers.net>
> To: David Hachadorian <k6ll.dave at gmail.com>
> Cc: reflector SCCC <sccc at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] Windows 10 to Windows 11
> Message-ID: <547AAE8A-FCCC-4830-9BBA-CF419FD16418 at caservers.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>
> Some computers just need a BIOS update and or have their TPM modules 
> enabled. Most manufacturers have info on their websites.
>
> If the computer is too old to support the TPM requirements of windows 
> 11 it should be replaced. Do not force Windows 11 to run on theses
systems.
>
> Aaron G. Lusk, K6USY
> W6FSC WRVX201
> 559-905-4180
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Nov 10, 2025, at 5:20?PM, David Hachadorian <k6ll.dave at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I recently bought a WIN 11 minicomputer for about $250.  CPU has a 
> > cpumark score of about 23,000, 16 GB ram, 512 GB SSD.  Black Friday 
> > is coming up.  There should be a tone of deals.  Watch 
> > www.slickdeals.com
> >
> > It works great on all modes with N1MM.  One limitation is that the 
> > only
> sound input is mono mic.  If your rigs have a built-in sound CODECs, 
> that's no problem.  If not, you can use a cheap usb sound device.
> >
> > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> > Yuma, AZ
> >
> >> On 11/10/2025 4:41 PM, NA6MB Mike wrote:
> >> So support from Microsoft Windows    owns 10 has stopped.
> >>
> >> There are ways to convert ?non-complaint? motherboard.
> >> There is even a ?not recommended? Microsoft provided method on the 
> >> MS
> website.
> >>
> >> What are you all doing about this?
> >> Current PCs ok/compliant already?
> >> New PCs?
> >> Used a bypass / ?not recommended? method?
> >>
> >> We are trying to decide if we should bite the bullet and buy 3-4 
> >> new
> computers.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> NA6MB
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
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> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 01:48:44 +0000
> From: Ryan Huggins <KI6BTY at pm.me>
> To: NA6MB Mike <na6mb.mike at gmail.com>,    Southern California Contesting
>     Club <sccc at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCCC] Windows 10 to Windows 11
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> There are some workarounds to keep Windows 10 updates coming for 
> another year or so.  Personally, I'm sticking with Windows 10.  I have 
> more than enough experience working on discontinued windows versions 
> over the years and I have zero desire to shell out for a new computer 
> because Billy Gates tells me to.  I still have old laptops running 
> Windows 7, for what that's worth.
>
> For the light computing I do for work and the 20 year old games I 
> play, my existing machine is more than sufficient.  I also have over 
> 20 years in Corporate IT and the last 10 of those in System and Data 
> Security, so I have better safeguards than the average user.
>
> For my radio PC, N3FJP, 101 CATS (FTDX101 control program), and 
> Com0Com all run on Windows 10.  FLDIGI is so old, it probably runs on 
> Windows 95 still!  A VLAN that only connects out to the cloud logging 
> and QRZ type sites will be more than sufficient security for that machine.
>
> I am looking into Linux options as well.  I have two NUCs that came 
> with
> 11 on it, back when you could still bypass the MS Store account 
> creation, and I just use those for digi contesting and remote ops, so 
> they don't even get updated.  The last update killed the audio right as
Field Day started.
> I'm not impressed with 11 and far from impressed with MS's ability to 
> provide tested updates... much like HRD's latest release!
>
>
> -73
> Ryan, KI6BTY
>
>
> On Monday, November 10th, 2025 at 4:08 PM, NA6MB Mike < 
> na6mb.mike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So support from Microsoft Windows owns 10 has stopped.
> >
> > There are ways to convert ?non-complaint? motherboard.
> > There is even a ?not recommended? Microsoft provided method on the 
> > MS
> website.
> >
> > What are you all doing about this?
> > Current PCs ok/compliant already?
> > New PCs?
> > Used a bypass / ?not recommended? method?
> >
> > We are trying to decide if we should bite the bullet and buy 3-4 new
> computers.
> >
> > Mike
> > NA6MB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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