[Skimmertalk] Skimmer use places op in Assisted category forCQWW

[Paul J. Piercey]

You're exactly right, Ted. The categories need to define the operation of
the station rather than the opposite. I also agree totally that the
"assisted" category needs to be eliminated.

As for the wording of the new rule, it seems to be more ambiguous than the
"assisted" criteria ever was. A second radio being tuned to another band can
be described as "QSO alerting assitance" so SO2R falls into that category in
my opinion. This is turning into a tragically complex farce when simplicity
was all that was required.

73 -- Paul VO1HE
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: skimmertalk-bounces at contesting.com 
> [mailto:skimmertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ted Bryant
> Sent: August 12, 2008 13:19
> To: skimmertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Skimmertalk] Skimmer use places op in Assisted 
> category forCQWW
> 
> I'm going to beat this drum one more time....
> 
> Instead of defining the categories in terms of what 
> hardware/software is or is not allowed, it seems to me that 
> categories should be defined by what functions the operator 
> is allowed/not allowed to perform in conjunction with what 
> information is allowed to be used and from which sources it 
> can be obtained.
> 
> If this is not done, inevitably there will be new hardware or 
> software developed which falls outside the category 
> description and we'll be right back here again.
> 
> Also, the use of the terms "assistance" or "assisted" MUST GO.
> 
> Would anyone like to try defining "QSO alerting assistance"?
> 
> 73, Ted W4NZ
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: skimmertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:skimmertalk-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Paul 
> J. Piercey
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:10 AM
> To: 'Vladimir Sidorov'; skimmertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Skimmertalk] Skimmer use places op in Assisted 
> category forCQWW
> 
> 
> CW Skimmer is nothing like the packet cluster. An operator 
> can manually duplicate anything that the local Skimmer can do 
> but cannot duplicate what the cluster does. While I agree 
> that getting Skimmer data from a network should be equated to 
> cluster use, the use of a local Skimmer should not.
> 
> It'll be interesting to see how they enforce it. I would 
> venture that this decision will create far more problems than 
> it was intended to solve.
> 
> 73 -- Paul VO1HE
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: skimmertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> > [mailto:skimmertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Vladimir 
> > Sidorov
> > Sent: August 11, 2008 18:03
> > To: skimmertalk at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [Skimmertalk] Skimmer use places op in 
> Assisted category 
> > forCQWW
> >
> > Scott,
> > Thanks for bringing up good news.
> >
> > Apparently it turned to be clear for everybody that Skimmer 
> is perhaps 
> > even more "QSO alerting assistance" than the traditional spotting 
> > system. The list's activity has slowed down simply because 
> there was 
> > virtually nothing to discuss anymore. All the reports of 
> trial use of 
> > Skimmer in contests have cleary proved the fact that SO and 
> SO+Skimmer 
> > are totally different animals.
> >
> > Sanity is there at last, thanks to the CQWW team.
> >
> > 73,
> > Vladimir VE3IAE
> >
> > ---
> >
> > > Though this list appears to be winding down, I thought I 
> would point 
> > > out for the record that this text now appears in CQWW rules:
> > >
> > > A. Single Operator categories: For
> > > all single operator categories, only one person (the 
> operator) can 
> > > contribute to the final score during the official contest period. 
> > > QSO alerting assistance of any kind (this includes, but is not 
> > > limited to, packet, local or remote Skimmer and/or Skimmer-like 
> > > technology,
> > > Internet) places the entrant
> > > in the Single Operator Assisted category.
> > >
> > > -- Scott (NE1RD)
> > >
> > > B. Scott Andersen           | "Magic is real, unless
> 
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