[Skimmertalk] [CC-User] Busted FT8 skimmer spots

Wed Dec 18 17:32:59 EST 2024

Folks were talking about using Normal for FT8, not RTTY.

Don't ignore this recommendation shown on the *Spot Filters* tab of
Aggregator, for good reasons:

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73,
Bob, N6TV

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 2:59 AM William Liporace <wc2l at wc2l.com> wrote:

> I have switched both CW & RTTY skimmers to normal.
> Interestingly, I noticed that the CW skimmers didn't have the following:
>
> ;0=minimal 1=normal 2=aggressive 3=paranoid
> ValidationLevel=1
>
> In CWSL_Digi, I set mine from 3 to 2.
>
> That has been added (hopefully is correct). No idea on what the "normal
> is.
> I'd rather have correct than volume!
>
> Will WC2L
> On 12/17/2024 8:58 PM, Wes Cosand wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> Lee, VE7CC, could comment more authoritatively on this than I can but let
> me try.
>
> The three of us whom Robert cites use CWSL_Digi 0.88 to decode FT8 and
> FT4.  The author, Alex Ranaldi, gives us a variable with three levels to
> control the "depth" of the decoding by the WSJT engine.  The default is set
> for "3", which I understand calls for the WSJT "Deep" sensitivity.
>
> Ever since beginning to skim FT8 I have used "Deep" decoding and some
> percentage of the resulting data is in error.  But in response to Robert's
> suggestion, I've lowered this variable to "2" and let's see if it makes a
> significant difference in the error rate.  I'm not certain whether it is
> simple for VE7CC to give us any data on busted WSJT calls, or not.
>
> I've been averaging about 10,000 PSKReporter decodes each day.  It will be
> interesting to see how that changes.
>
> But it seems to me that there is a more fundamental issue here.  There
> appear to be two distinct user communities for FT8 skimming with different
> expectations: the PSK Reporter community and those DXers who have used
> telnet DX Spot for many years.
>
> I often receive appreciative emails from the PSK Reporter community who
> have found the FT8 skimming useful to their hobby.  Some of the emails from
> DXers who have used the CW data from the RBN for many years expect error
> rates for FT8 which I don't know how to achieve.  At times after
> particularly exercised emails from fellow RBN users, I've simply turned off
> FT8 posting to the RBN system.  And then a digital contest comes around and
> I turn it on again.
>
> I am at a loss to know what the best course for the hobby truly is but I'm
> willing to experiment.
>
> Wes WZ7I
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 9:25 PM Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good point, Robert, though I don't know what the people you cite are
>> using (DEEP vs NORMAL).
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>
>> On 12/16/2024 7:04 PM, Robert W5AJ via groups.io wrote:
>>
>>
>> This is not issue with CC - but skimmers that are feeding into the DX
>> spots.
>> Today's examples include:   WZ7I-# spotting 9E8VB, KM3T-# spotting P7VUM,
>> WC2L-# spotting P63NHS
>> None good.   For me and I suspect others, these show up in the ALARM page!
>> These do tend to come more from certain clusters/skimmers.
>> I've locked out (best possible) some skimmers from displaying in my CC
>> Cluster with the use of "Keywords" setting and inserting their skimmer
>> callsigns.
>> This stops both good and false decodes from these folks.
>>
>> FINDINGS:   WSJT, earlier versions do, although rare, false decode when
>> set in "DEEP" mode.   Seems skimmers should use the "NORMAL" setting there
>> to stop false decodes.
>> Hopefully some of the skimmers monitor this group and will pay
>> attention....
>>
>> 73 Robert W5AJ
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