Harry, I have the same opinion, I want REAL knobs on my radios, and not a radio in putty colored cases!!!!! 73, Stuart K5KVH -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/tentecfaq.htm Submissions: tentec@contesting.com Administrative requests: tentec-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-tentec@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search.htm