Your are correct - Kachina was first with a full DSP ham rig. I did not write clearly (probably because of my mind) - I meant that Ten Tec was the first to use DSP of any kind in a ham rig back in 1990 with the Omni VI. I may still be wrong but that is what I intended to say. Thanks for the correction. Waiting no so patiently for the Orion. Tom, W7QF