[TenTec] Truth in Lending!!

[Carl Moreschi]

I expect the Orion to perform extremely well with NO optional filters.  The
DSP alone has a 100 db dynamic range right up to the sharpest DSP filter
width.  I don't expect a great change by adding the 3 roofing filters.

I also expect most people already have a good 13.8 volt supply in their
shack and won't need to buy another power supply.  For the past 15 years I
have been using my Astron RS-35M to power everything in my shack.  It works
very well.  The reason tentec has split everything up is to allow for
everyone to pick and choose what they need.

Carl Moreschi N4PY
Franklinton, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "George, W5YR" <w5yr@att.net>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>; "Carl Moreschi" <n4py@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Truth in Lending!!


> I mention the total ORION package price as what it will cost a new Ten
> Tec customer to acquire the ORION "system."  Surely you don't expect
> the ORION market to consist only of previous Ten Tec customers who may
> already have various pieces of Ten Tec gear that will "work" with the
> ORION. If that were the case, Ten Tec will have greatly limited its
> penetration into the top-of-the-line market where the ORION is
> expressly aimed.
>
> Anyone could probably cob together some sort of station around the
> basic ORION at $3300, and those who can will probably do so. But,
> looking beyond the present customer base, "new" ORION owners will
> want/need the entire system, including all those filters that are
> deemed essential for the ORION to meet its superlative performance
> goals. And it is that group that I have in mind when I observe that
> the ORION is not a $3300 radio for the general amateur public. If the
> entire package has been designed to meet performance goals, then the
> new Ten Tec customer will either be required or will desire to
> purchase the package, not just the basic radio.
>
> If I am at fault in this, it is perhaps in attempting to "keep the
> record straight" when posting after posting tells us that the ORION is
> a $3300 radio. The basic radio *is*, but if you want an ORION system
> (power supply, speaker, mic, tuner, full set of filters, etc) then it
> is a $4431.95 radio and should be viewed that way when being compared
> with other TOL radios, not the residue of older Ten Tec radios and
> parts that many current customers may already have.
>
> Presently, and until the Icom "785' makes its appearance at a rumored
> $6K+ price, the ORION system will be the most expensive TOL radio on
> the market. Seems to me to be a little unfair to advertise and
> represent the radio at its most basic price when that is only a start
> to acquiring the full system.
>
> Unless Ten Tec can penetrate the TOL market including Icom, Yaesu,
> Kenwood and others to come, I cannot see how they can make the ORION a
> paying venture if they plan to sell only  the basic radio to current
> Ten Tec customers who have all the rest of the system, or enough to
> get by with.
>
> For the record, I have no desire to see the ORION fail as a project or
> to see Ten Tec get into further fiscal depths, but I find it hard to
> remain silent when everyone acts as if once they buy the $3300 basic
> radio, they will have "an ORION." To an extent they will, but Ten Tec
> has designed an entire ORION system, and unless all elements of that
> system are present and working together as designed, it is difficult
> to imagine the ORION delivering the peak performance it seeks.
>
> A more basic question: if Ten Tec doesn't expect people to buy all the
> ORION system elements on the price sheet, why are they listed and
> being manufactured?
>
> Sorry if any feathers have been ruffled, but there is more than one
> way to look at things, especially when enthusiasm is reduced and a
> more objective look is taken.
>
> 73/72, George
> Amateur Radio W5YR -  the Yellow Rose of Texas
> In the 57th year and it just keeps getting better!
> Fairview, TX 30 mi NE of Dallas in Collin county EM13qe
> K2 #489  IC-765 #2349 IC-756 PRO  #2121 IC-756 PRO2 #3235
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Moreschi" <n4py@earthlink.net>
> To: <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Truth in Lending!!
>
>
> > I agree on the price.  $3300 is what the Orion is costing me.  I
> already
> > have everything else.
> > It's misrepresentative to quote the $4431.95.
> >
> > Carl Moreschi N4PY
> > Franklinton, NC
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alderman, Chester" <CAlderma@ora.fda.gov>
> > To: <tentec@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:54 AM
> > Subject: [TenTec] Truth in Lending!!
> >
> >
> > > W5YR said:
> > >
> > > "So, how meaningful are the ARRL test results if they come from a
> > > cherry-picked, specially prepared, non-production unit? I agree
> that it is
> > > in TT's interest to have ARRL test the best performing "sample"
> they have,
> > > but on the other hand, if that sample does not represent what Joe
> Ham will
> > > receive for his $4431.95, les hand mic, then the whole test is a
> charade."
> > >
> > > I disagree that it is in TT's interest to have the ARRL lab test
> TT
> > > equipment. Do you think it's logical for a manufacturing company
> to pay
> > it's
> > > entire staff for several years work, just to have it blessed or
> not
> > blessed
> > > by a lab whose prime organization has absolutely nothing to do
> with
> > > engineering and/or manufacturing? Nope, it's us 'Joe Hams' who
> will decide
> > > the capability and the performance of the Orion. How do you know
> the
> > ARRL's
> > > results are not slanted towards manufacturers who advertise the
> most in
> > > their monthly publication. Surely you don't think the ARRL is
> totally
> > honest
> > > and without fault? The ARRL is a business also (yes!) and they
> generate
> > > revenue from advertisement.
> > >
> > > It irritates me that you keep repeating that the Orion cost is
> $4431.95. I
> > > just wonder what the purpose is for making this kind of post?? As
> a 'Joe
> > > Ham', I am perfectly capable of looking up the cost of the Orion
> and all
> > of
> > > the Orion's options. For the first time buyer of Ten Tec gear,
> yes, the
> > > maxed out cost for every option is $4657.95 and that assuming you
> MUST buy
> > > every option available. But most of us 'Joe Ham's' already have
> all of the
> > > filters (note that's why TT chose 9MHz for the first IF freq. They
> KNEW
> > Joe
> > > Ham already had most of those filters!), they have a speaker, they
> have
> > > microphones (ugh!), they have power supplies, and they probably
> have an
> > > antenna tuner. Even $3300.00 is pretty steep, so why INFLATE it?
> The cost
> > of
> > > the Orion is listed at $3300.00..THAT'S IT!! Not $4431.95.
> > >
> > > Tom/W4BQF
>
>