[TenTec] 60M

Fri May 16 22:16:15 EDT 2003

I monitor the Coast Guard aviation freqs in the 5 and 8 MHz region quite
a bit. On the air they always refer to frequency, not channel number and
the frequencies are always the carrier freqs. They say, "Shift to 5696"
When you dial in a frequency on an HF aircraft radio, you get the
carrier frequency. Likewise, the ship to shore freqs listed on their web
site all list carrier frequency. So, its my conclusion that the
frequencies to be assigned to us are the carrier freqs, though I have
seen the "2.8 kHz" channel definition in a CAP publication.

Anyway I've programmed our new channels into my Paragon memory and I am
scanning them as I type this. (Note: I have not enabled general coverage
transmit.)

				Bob WB2VUF
"George, W5YR" wrote:
> 
> You have described one of the several heartburn areas in the R&O.
> Determining compliance with the "50 watts ERP" with an arbitrary antenna
> setup is another.
> 
> I think that the intent of the language is to state that the available
> channel bandwidth that can be used is a maximum of 2800 Hz, centered on a
> specified frequency for each channel. It is up to each operator to figure
> out where to set his dial for each channel so that *his* SSB sideband will
> lie within the channel.
> 
> I also think that you hit the nail on the head about stations with different
> equipment working one another on these channels. The primary service
> probably uses essentially identical equipment and thus, per government
> convention, when they set their transmitter to Channel X, the USB suppressed
> carrier frequency is set to the same value for all such transmitters.
> 
> But, in the ham case, we each have slightly different occupied bandwidth
> characteristics and so it is highly likely that there will be frequency
> errors if one simply follows the math and sets his dial according to his own
> transmitter passband, as in your example.
> 
> I have made spectral plots of the occupied bandwidth of each filter setting
> I use on my equipment, so I can estimate what dial frequency to use with,
> say, my 2.4 KHz filter setting. But even there, *my* 2.4 KHz filter (being
> DSP) may have different characteristics than *your* 2.4 filter, so chances
> are we would end up on two different suppressed-carrier frequencies.
> 
> Carl, maybe the answer is this simple:
> 
> Forget about where our equipment has its transmit  bandwidth (how
> measured: -6 dB?) placed with respect to the carrier frequency. Let's just
> all use the same frequency, calculated by subtracting 1.4 KHz from the
> "channel center frequency." By keeping the bandwidth conservatively below
> the allowed maximum of 2.8 KHz we would all at least be on the same
> frequency.
> 
> This "band" is going to be a real problem with people changing their dial
> settings so that Charlie sounds more natural and in so doing they can slide
> right out of the channel.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> 73/72, George
> Amateur Radio W5YR -  the Yellow Rose of Texas
> Fairview, TX 30 mi NE of Dallas in Collin county EM13QE
> "In the 57th year and it just keeps getting better!"
> <mailto:w5yr at att.net>
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Moreschi" <n4py at earthlink.net>
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] 60M
> 
> > Don't forget that most radios don't start the bottom end of the passband
> at
> > 0.  It is usually 200 hertz .  So if you are using a 2800 hertz filter and
> > the bottom of the passband is 200 hertz, then your desired frequency is
> 200
> > + 2800/2 or 1600 above the dial frequency.  It seems like everyone would
> be
> > on a slightly different frequency depending on how their radio passband is
> > designed and transmit filter they are using in order to center their SSB
> > emission at in the prescribed channel.
> >
> > Carl Moreschi N4PY
> > Franklinton, North Carolina
> > n4py at earthlink.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "George, W5YR" <w5yr at att.net>
> > To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TenTec] 60M
> >
> >
> > > The government and the military, in short.
> > >
> > > They specify frequency in terms of the center frequency of the occupied
> > > bandwidth or channel width. Hams use the transmitted frequency for all
> > > carrier-present modes and the suppressed carrier frequency for SSB,
> SSTV,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > So, if a channel is 2.8 KHz wide and the FCC defines the center
> frequency
> > > for the channel - and the R&O clearly says "center frequency" - then the
> > way
> > > our rigs are set up, we have to set the dial to that specified center
> > > frequency and then lower the reading by 1400 Hz to put our
> > > suppressed-carrier frequency on the lower-frequency edge of the channel
> > such
> > > that our occupied bandwidth will run from that edge upward 2.8 KHz.
> > >
> > > It *is* different!   <:}
> > >
> > > 73/72, George
> > > Amateur Radio W5YR -  the Yellow Rose of Texas
> > > Fairview, TX 30 mi NE of Dallas in Collin county EM13QE
> > > "In the 57th year and it just keeps getting better!"
> > > <mailto:w5yr at att.net>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kip Glunt" <kipg at yorkinternet.net>
> > > To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 1:15 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [TenTec] 60M
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm curious, when did the center of a Single Sideband signal
> (presuming
> > it
> > > could have an upper or lower sideband) become the specified frequency
> plus
> > > or minus 1400 KHz.?  Where did this come from?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ... Kip, WB3AFL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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