It seems to me that the proposed Icom 7800 has done a lot of us a huge favor. But Honey, the Orion isn't really expensive, some ham radios cost $8000!!! 73 es oo de Jim KJ0C Healer of Brachycephalics and other fine looking creatures in Springfield, MO FP # -108 and semi-official veterinarian of the Flying Pigs QRP Club PITA #2 SOC #37