[TenTec] Yahoo and the Orion email reflector

[Phil Howlett]

I would like to be on that reflector but will not for the very same reasons
as stated below. It's a shame that reflector isn't with contesting.com.

Phil, W9XX


----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Scace K3NA" <eric at k3na.org>
To: "Bill Tippett W4ZV" <btippett at alum.mit.edu>
Cc: "TenTec mailing list" <tentec at contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:50 PM
Subject: [TenTec] Yahoo and the Orion email reflector


> Hi Bill --
>
>    Yahoo's privacy policy has improved over the last couple of years.  But
this is part of Yahoo's privacy statement that I object
> to:
>
> "Yahoo! does not rent, sell, or share personal information about you ...
except ... under the following circumstances:
> We provide the information to trusted partners who work on behalf of or
with Yahoo! under confidentiality agreements. These
> companies may use your personal information to help Yahoo! communicate
with you about offers from Yahoo! and our marketing partners.
> "
>
>    And here: "Web pages may contain electronic images (called a
"single-pixel GIF" or "web beacon") that allow a web site to count
> users who have visited that page or to access certain cookies. Yahoo! uses
web beacons in the following ways:   Yahoo! uses web
> beacons to conduct research on behalf of certain partners on their web
sites and also for auditing purposes."  And further: "Yahoo!
> uses web beacons to access Yahoo! cookies inside and outside our network
of web sites"
>
>    I object to Yahoo providing my personal information to third parties,
and to Yahoo! accessing cookies not related to its specific
> web site.
>
>    While I would dearly love to participate in the Orion email reflector,
I'm not going to lend support to a company which insists
> on providing information that it collects to outsiders with no opt-out
ability.  And there is now no way to participate in a
> Yahoo-controlled email reflector without registering and providing this
personal information.
>
>    The reason that I raise the matter here is that I would like the list
moderator to reconsider hosting the list elsewhere; e.g.,
> on the same service that is hosting the TenTec reflector.
>
> -- Eric K3NA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Bill Tippett
> Sent: 2003 September 23 Tuesday 10:17
> To: tentec at contesting.com
> Subject: [TenTec] Yahoo, etc
>
>
>          Before everyone totally badmouths Yahoo, here is a
> copy of the note I sent to Eric K3NA.
>
>                                          73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
> N1JM:
>  >Once you sign up, there is a way to opt out of all that marketing stuff.
>
>          Eric, this is true.  I opened a separate Yahoo E-mail account
> (free) because I had the same concerns as you (i.e. getting spam from
> Yahoo).  But...
>
> 1.  I opted out of all the marketing options.
> 2.  I never get anything from Yahoo directly.
> 3.  Yahoo has one of the most effective spam filters around...so much
> so that I now forward all mail to an old spam-compromised address at my
> current ISP to Yahoo, and 90-95% of it is caught by their "Bulk" spam
> filter.  What spam remains can be tagged as spam which they use to improve
> their filters.
>
>          I'm so happy with Yahoo's Bulk filter that I've even considered
> signing up for POP access (only $9.95 per year) and running ALL my e-mail
> through their filter first and then forwarding what's left to my current
> ISP.  I use a very effective spam filter (Mailwasher Pro) for all my
> non-Yahoo addresses, but it it not nearly as effective as Yahoo's because
> of the huge volume of messages their site sees, which contributes to the
> quality of their filter.  It's like having a gigantic callsign database
for
> CT versus one you personally construct!
>
>                                                  73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
>
>
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