[TenTec] Yahoo and the Orion email reflector

[Ron Notarius WN3VAW]

Eric,

While I was aware of Yahoo!'s policies on personal information, I am
surprised to learn that you must register with Yahoo! prior to participating
in an email reflector.

Are you sure?  Because I know that you used to be able to join an email
reflector there by sending a message (usually to "groupname_subscribe @
yahoogroups . com") to the group, not via the web.

If you are correct, then I need to find a new host for my reflectors too!

73, ron wn3vaw

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Scace K3NA" <eric at k3na.org>
To: "Bill Tippett W4ZV" <btippett at alum.mit.edu>
Cc: "TenTec mailing list" <tentec at contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:50 PM
Subject: [TenTec] Yahoo and the Orion email reflector


Hi Bill --

   Yahoo's privacy policy has improved over the last couple of years.  But
this is part of Yahoo's privacy statement that I object
to:

"Yahoo! does not rent, sell, or share personal information about you ...
except ... under the following circumstances:
We provide the information to trusted partners who work on behalf of or with
Yahoo! under confidentiality agreements. These
companies may use your personal information to help Yahoo! communicate with
you about offers from Yahoo! and our marketing partners.
"

   And here: "Web pages may contain electronic images (called a
"single-pixel GIF" or "web beacon") that allow a web site to count
users who have visited that page or to access certain cookies. Yahoo! uses
web beacons in the following ways:   Yahoo! uses web
beacons to conduct research on behalf of certain partners on their web sites
and also for auditing purposes."  And further: "Yahoo!
uses web beacons to access Yahoo! cookies inside and outside our network of
web sites"

   I object to Yahoo providing my personal information to third parties, and
to Yahoo! accessing cookies not related to its specific
web site.

   While I would dearly love to participate in the Orion email reflector,
I'm not going to lend support to a company which insists
on providing information that it collects to outsiders with no opt-out
ability.  And there is now no way to participate in a
Yahoo-controlled email reflector without registering and providing this
personal information.

   The reason that I raise the matter here is that I would like the list
moderator to reconsider hosting the list elsewhere; e.g.,
on the same service that is hosting the TenTec reflector.

-- Eric K3NA

-----Original Message-----
From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Bill Tippett
Sent: 2003 September 23 Tuesday 10:17
To: tentec at contesting.com
Subject: [TenTec] Yahoo, etc


         Before everyone totally badmouths Yahoo, here is a
copy of the note I sent to Eric K3NA.

                                         73,  Bill  W4ZV

N1JM:
 >Once you sign up, there is a way to opt out of all that marketing stuff.

         Eric, this is true.  I opened a separate Yahoo E-mail account
(free) because I had the same concerns as you (i.e. getting spam from
Yahoo).  But...

1.  I opted out of all the marketing options.
2.  I never get anything from Yahoo directly.
3.  Yahoo has one of the most effective spam filters around...so much
so that I now forward all mail to an old spam-compromised address at my
current ISP to Yahoo, and 90-95% of it is caught by their "Bulk" spam
filter.  What spam remains can be tagged as spam which they use to improve
their filters.

         I'm so happy with Yahoo's Bulk filter that I've even considered
signing up for POP access (only $9.95 per year) and running ALL my e-mail
through their filter first and then forwarding what's left to my current
ISP.  I use a very effective spam filter (Mailwasher Pro) for all my
non-Yahoo addresses, but it it not nearly as effective as Yahoo's because
of the huge volume of messages their site sees, which contributes to the
quality of their filter.  It's like having a gigantic callsign database for
CT versus one you personally construct!

                                                 73,  Bill  W4ZV






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