[TenTec] Tennessee Dreamin'

[Mike Hyder -N4NT-]

I suppose what I found confusing was any reference to impedance as it would
seem to remain constant during our doubling of power.  The aerials would be
constant, the ether, too.  So whatever the impedance value you want to plug
into ohm's law wouldn't matter.

If my 50 watt output induces a 100 microvolt signal input to your receiver,
will my 100 watt output induce a 141.4 microvolt signal or something
different from that.  What I am asking for is numbers so I'll understand if
an S-unit is equal to a 6 dB difference, is that 6 dB of voltage difference
or of power difference or does it matter?

Mike N4NT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Duffer" <dufferjames at hotmail.com>
To: <tentec at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Tennessee Dreamin'


You measure field strength with a field strength meter.....no test leads a
calibrated antenna, and I can't say what the impedance of "free space" would
be where you have positioned the field strength measuring antenna/probe, but
the key is whatever the impedance is (it will be somewhere around 377 ohms
affected by objects, ground etc.) it should remain relatively constant
between the two measurements.  First measurement at one power level, second
measurement at double power level from the power source.

The first part of the paragraph, the logic was based on an old law called
Ohm's law.  This basic law can be arranged in such a manner to show that:
Power (watts) equal the voltage (volts) squared divided by the resistance in
Ohms.  I just used the values as a matter of convenience.  Sorry that this
confused you.

The impedance of free space is a  concept and that is one of the jobs of a
horn type antennat to match the impedance of the waveguide to free space .
Theoretical and kind of like an isotropic radiator in that it is an ideal
situation.  Like the impedance of a half wave dipole in free space is 73
Ohms.  In the real world there are things that affect this value.


>From: "Mike Hyder  -N4NT-" <mike_n4nt at charter.net>
>Reply-To: tentec at contesting.com
>To: <tentec at contesting.com>
>Subject: Re: [TenTec] Tennessee Dreamin'
>Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:53:53 -0400
>
>Maybe if you rewrite your response it'll make more sense to me.  As it is,
>my mind doesn't follow your logic.  By the way, where did you hook your
>meter to measure free space's impedance as 377 ohms?
>
>If we're guessing, though, I'd say that doubling ones power would seem to
>more than double the received signal voltage.  Maybe you're an engineer and
>can explain why it wouldn't or maybe someone else can answer my question.
>
>Mike N4NT
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James Duffer" <dufferjames at hotmail.com>
>To: <tentec at contesting.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [TenTec] Tennessee Dreamin'
>
>
>You didn't mention any change in impedance so assuming an impedance of 10
>Ohms, a voltage of 10 volts would then result of power of 10 watts.  Now
>doubling the power to 20 watts, and assuming no change in resistance the
>resulting voltage would be 14.14 volts so the answer to your question, if
>it
>was a question, is no, the voltage did not quadruple, it only increased by
>the square route of the increase in power ratio.
>
>powe ratios result in a 3 dB change for doubleing, voltage ratios (assuming
>equal impedance) would be 6 dB for a doubling.  Now when power is doubled
>measured at the 50 ohm output, what would be the change field in strength
>(volts/meter) measured at the impedance of free space (377 Ohms) My guess
>would be 3 dB. What is your guess?
>
>
> >From: "Mike Hyder  -N4NT-" <mike_n4nt at charter.net>
> >Reply-To: tentec at contesting.com
> >To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> >Subject: Re: [TenTec] Tennessee Dreamin'
> >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:47:08 -0400
> >
> >Since we measure signal strength in volts and power in watts and since
> >watts
> >vary with the square of the voltage, are your 6dB per S-unit dB of
>voltage
> >difference or of power difference?  In other words, if I double my power
>am
> >I quadrupling my volts?  Inquiring minds want to know.
> >
> >Mike N4NT
> >
> >____________________________
> >
> >It's even better than that. One S unit is 6db so 25 watts is one S unit
> >less
> >than 100 watts.  So an S9 signal at 100 watts is just a frog's hair under
> >S8
> >at 20 watts.
> >
> >Carl Moreschi N4PY
> >Franklinton, NC
> >
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