[TenTec] help
Vern Schroeder
vschroed at sprynet.com
Tue Dec 28 06:40:18 EST 2004
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> 1. RE: Orion amp line delay/advance (NJ0IP)
> 2. Re: Help--Dead Corsair II (Rick Weaver)
> 3. Re: Computer control of Paragon with Giehl Chip (Jerry Volpe)
> 4. keying loops (w9ge)
> 5. RE: keying loops (Grant Youngman)
> 6. Re: keying loops (Carl Moreschi)
> 7. RE: keying loops (Grant Youngman)
> 8. Re: keying loops (w9ge)
> 9. AGC phone settings (Jeff Griffin)
> 10. Re: keying loops (W9MWS at aol.com)
> 11. Re: keying loops (Tommy)
> 12. Re: keying loops (Gary Tuck)
> 13. RE: Re: keying loops (Grant Youngman)
> 14. Argosy Power Supply (D. Kemp)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:00:37 -0800
> From: "NJ0IP" <Rick at DJ0IP.de>
> Subject: RE: [TenTec] Orion amp line delay/advance
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
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> Carl just answered it. It is a fixed parameter.
>
> The option I described is the dropout delay.
> (sorry - I misunderstood you Buck)
>
> 73
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]
> On Behalf Of K4IA at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 8:56 AM
> To: tentec at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion amp line delay/advance
>
> Rick
>
> I think I am talking about a different issue. As I understand the TX menu,
>
> you are adjusting how long the amp stays keyed after the transmission stops
>
> -- the "hang time" it is called in the manual.
>
> What I am wondering is what is the advance/delay on the start in this
> sequence:
>
> key down -> amp keys -> radio transmits.
>
> And is it adjustable or adequate for a amp in the factory default.
>
> Radio k4ia
> "Buck"
> Fredericksburg, VA USA
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:07:38 -0500
> From: "Rick Weaver" <weave2 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Help--Dead Corsair II
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
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> Regarding the fuse, do a double check on the replacement, I believe it
> should be a slow blow type. Remember same happening to my CII.
> Rick K8RLW
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Chambley, Sr." <k4dpk at comcast.net>
> To: <wb2vuf at qsl.net>; <tentec at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Help--Dead Corsair II
>
> > You should examine the fuse when you remove it, and if it is blown
> > catastrophically (black inside, etc.) there is a good chance you have a
> > shorted final transistor. In any event, you need to check the resistance
> on
> > the output side of the fuse to determine if there is a short.
> >
> > Phil K4DPK
> > http://home.comcast.net/~k4dpk
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bwana Bob" <wb2vuf at qsl.net>
> > To: <dock0evz at earthlink.net>; <tentec at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TenTec] Help--Dead Corsair II
> >
> >
> > > Doc:
> > >
> > > Yes, according to my Corsair manual, the fuse is located on the bottom
> > > of the radio, inside the final amplifier compartment. Sometimes fuses
> > > just blow from old age.
> > >
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > Bob WB2VUF
> > >
> > > W.D. (Doc) Lindsey wrote:
> > > > Good Evening:
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks to scads of guys who have written. The consensus is that
> > there
> > > > is a fuse in the B+, somewhere near the back inside the rig. Have not
> > had
> > > > a chance to check it yet, but I will report what I find. Thanks
> again,
> > one
> > > > and all.
> > > >
> > > > 73,
> > > > --Doc/K0EVZ
> > > >
> > > > --- W.D. (Doc) Lindsey
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:06:17 -0800
> From: Jerry Volpe <kg6tt at tomorrowsweb.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Computer control of Paragon with Giehl Chip
> To: tentec at contesting.com
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> Vic:
>
> Even though I haven't found an RS-232 board yet, I am looking. So I
> would greatly appreciate seeing your code. I am looking forward to the
> day that my Paragon can talk to my logging program and DX spotter.
>
> 73,
> Jerald, KG6TT
>
> Vic Klein wrote:
>
> >After finally finding an RS-232 board for my 585 Paragon with a Giehl
> >upgrade, I set out to modify the original BASIC program that allows computer
> >control of the radio. After some fiddling for the several differences in
> >this chip vs. the original Ten Tec ROM, it is up and running well (at least
> >as far as I have tested). I am using a late model 585 with a Giehl 6.0 ROM,
> >so that is all I can say for sure it works on, but it allows memory read and
> >store, frequency and mode control, etc. as the original did. The interface
> >is no more glamorous than the original program (not very), and I may work on
> >that later. The first job was to get everything working, of course.
> >
> >I have the source program and a compiled, ready-to-run .exe version
> >available if anyone else needs it. Just drop me an email.
> >
> >=Vic=
> >WA4THR
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:32:07 -0500
> From: "w9ge" <finger at goeaston.net>
> Subject: [TenTec] keying loops
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
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> Grant and all: Not sure that I am the originator but my suggestion back channel to Tommy was that I had a similar amp keying problem and found that both keying loops had to be set the same for anything to work properly. One set on ptt and one on qsk loop did not function reliably. (I use two amps and both RF connectors). Ten Tec did verify the anomoly and added it to the "to be fixed" list in I think February 2004. I am not certain if it has been fixed or not....
>
> If my back channel to Tommy is what he is referring to, I plead guilty. 73 and Happy New Year bob de w9ge
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:52:33 -0600
> From: "Grant Youngman" <nq5t at comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [TenTec] keying loops
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <20041227185243.559FD319CE8 at dayton.akorn.net>
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> Well, that's certainly interesting. And thanks (to everyone) for the info.
>
> It always seemed like either (1) the amp would for some reason stop
> responding with TxEN or (2) the Orion was either missing the handshake or
> getting thoroughly cumboozled and ignoring it -- thus wouldn't go into
> transmit. Sounds like the latter, but it's curious that enabling the 2nd
> loop (even without anything connected apparently) may solve the problem.
>
> If that is a solution, hopefully it will lead T-T down the path to diagnose
> and fix whatever conditions are cause things to misbehave in the first
> place.
>
> Curiouser and curiouser .. :-)
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
> > Grant and all: Not sure that I am the originator but my
> > suggestion back channel to Tommy was that I had a similar amp
> > keying problem and found that both keying loops had to be set
> > the same for anything to work properly.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:56:39 -0500
> From: "Carl Moreschi" <n4py at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] keying loops
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <009001c4ec45$cd2d1980$3d0d45cf at oemcomputer>
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> I have always run my Orion with keying loop 1 on and keying loop 2 off. I
> do not have anything hooked up to keying loop 2. I have not experienced the
> keying loop problem with my Orion and ACOM 1000.
>
> Carl Moreschi N4PY
> Franklinton, NC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant Youngman" <nq5t at comcast.net>
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 1:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [TenTec] keying loops
>
> > Well, that's certainly interesting. And thanks (to everyone) for the
> info.
> >
> > It always seemed like either (1) the amp would for some reason stop
> > responding with TxEN or (2) the Orion was either missing the handshake or
> > getting thoroughly cumboozled and ignoring it -- thus wouldn't go into
> > transmit. Sounds like the latter, but it's curious that enabling the 2nd
> > loop (even without anything connected apparently) may solve the problem.
> >
> > If that is a solution, hopefully it will lead T-T down the path to
> diagnose
> > and fix whatever conditions are cause things to misbehave in the first
> > place.
> >
> > Curiouser and curiouser .. :-)
> >
> > Grant/NQ5T
> >
> >
> > > Grant and all: Not sure that I am the originator but my
> > > suggestion back channel to Tommy was that I had a similar amp
> > > keying problem and found that both keying loops had to be set
> > > the same for anything to work properly.
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:02:21 -0600
> From: "Grant Youngman" <nq5t at comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [TenTec] keying loops
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <20041227190229.C35AE31967E at dayton.akorn.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> > I have always run my Orion with keying loop 1 on and keying
> > loop 2 off. I do not have anything hooked up to keying loop
> > 2. I have not experienced the keying loop problem with my
> > Orion and ACOM 1000.
>
> Neither have I, nor have a lot of others apparently. But if this somehow
> solves the problem that some have been experiencing, I'm all for it! :-)
> And if it does, it sure would be interesting to know why ...
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:28:32 -0500
> From: "w9ge" <finger at goeaston.net>
> Subject: [TenTec] Re: keying loops
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <079601c4ec4a$43740af0$0200a8c0 at BOB>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
> Perhaps I had better explain things a bit more. I had a series of problems in Jan/Feb of 2004 with my Orion. Both of my amps had to be configured with PTT for them to work. Then things got progressively worse. Ten Tec was able to duplicate my problem in the lab, and consequently they added the "bug" to their firmware updates list. To complicate things, I had a progressively failing board in my Orion at the same time, which Ten Tec replaced under warranty in Mar 2004. It was the CPU/DSP board for those interested. Symptoms were that the Orion would lose output while keying in cw, noticeable on the scope and wattmeter but not on the alc light which flickered just like always. Since the repair I have left both amps set for "ptt" rather than use the keying loops.
>
> In talking with Tommy recently, I told him of my past anomoly. Today I reconfigured my Ten Tec Titan 425 for qsk on loop 2 and left my Alpha 78 hooked up as a "ptt" configuration. Initial testing reveals that everything seems to work as it should on both amps. The 425 output looks just fine on the scope. This is with 1.372 loaded. I will retain this configuration and tolerate the clacking vacuum relay for a while to see if it continues to function as it should. ( I only use the 425 on the WARC bands, and then rarely, except during contests so it may not get much of a workout for a while)
>
> I cannot explain Carls experience, except to say I never tried my Orion with only a single amp connected. Perhaps those who experience a similar problem as mine should suspect the CPU/DSP board? I sure hope not! By the way my Orion is a latter 2003 model. 73 and happy new year bob de w9ge
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:43:45 -0500
> From: "Jeff Griffin" <kb2m at comcast.net>
> Subject: [TenTec] AGC phone settings
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <000401c4ec4c$61789aa0$6601a8c0 at SERVER>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I've been enjoying my Orion while on vacation over the holidays. I travel
> alot for work and don't always find the time to explore it full potential.
> Last few days I managed to work the VU4 on 20m, and Japan on 80m, both new
> one's for me. These sigs were unheard until I adjusted the AGC settings.
> I'm using the doc that Scott and Doug wrote as a guide....
>
> www.tentec.com/565optimize.htm
>
> Now my question, is there any data available on optimizing the AGC settings
> for phone? Noisy or quiet band? I remember seeing some info on phone setup ,
> but don't recall where it was. I've had my Orion for almost 2 years now, and
> am very pleased with it's performance...
>
> Everyone have a happy and prosperous New Year....
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:54:38 EST
> From: W9MWS at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] keying loops
> To: tentec at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <1e8.3141c51b.2f01c27e at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> In a message dated 12/27/2004 1:57:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> n4py at earthlink.net writes:
>
> I have always run my Orion with keying loop 1 on and keying loop 2 off. I
> do not have anything hooked up to keying loop 2. I have not experienced the
> keying loop problem with my Orion and ACOM 1000.
>
> Carl Moreschi N4PY
> Franklinton, NC
>
> My keying loop set up is the same as Carl's but pushing an Alpha 87A. No
> problems to date.
>
> Mike Stover W9MWS
> Fort Wayne, IN
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:53:53 -0500
> From: "Tommy" <aldermant at alltel.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] keying loops
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <003f01c4ec56$2d405570$6401a8c0 at w4bqf3>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Grant,
>
> I have been touching base with Carl about this for a long time. It
> is very strange that his and others, using an ACOM normally do not
> have this problem when using the Orion. Some other's have told me
> that with non-Ten Tec amps, the problem does not exist. The whole
> thing is just strange. For instance, I ran my Titan 3 with my Omni
> 6, Omni 6 Plus, and my Icom IC-781 and never once had this problem.
> If we guess about this, I think you would just have to look at the
> Ten Tec amplifier face and the Orion interface do have some
> conflicts. One other interesting thread is as Bob says, he had his
> CPU/DSP board replaced in his Orion, mine was also replaced by TT at
> one time.
>
> At any rate, some progress is finally being made, thanks to W9GE
> letting me know what he experienced back in the early part of the
> year!!
>
> 73,
>
> Tom - W4BQF
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant Youngman" <nq5t at comcast.net>
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [TenTec] keying loops
>
> >> I have always run my Orion with keying loop 1 on and keying
> >> loop 2 off. I do not have anything hooked up to keying loop
> >> 2. I have not experienced the keying loop problem with my
> >> Orion and ACOM 1000.
> >
> > Neither have I, nor have a lot of others apparently. But if this
> > somehow
> > solves the problem that some have been experiencing, I'm all for
> > it! :-)
> > And if it does, it sure would be interesting to know why ...
> >
> > Grant/NQ5T
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:20:47 -0800
> From: Gary Tuck <gtuck at mac.com>
> Subject: [TenTec] Re: keying loops
> To: Ten Tec Mailing List <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <2CD2760E-584D-11D9-829D-000393D1DAD8 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> After Tom and I compared notes off line, I've been trying W9GE's
> suggestion for the last couple of days and haven't lost transmit yet.
> I'm using a Centaur.
>
> Gary W7TEA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:25:34 -0600
> From: "Grant Youngman" <nq5t at comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [TenTec] Re: keying loops
> To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <20041227212546.2B875319E6E at dayton.akorn.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> And your just turning on the 2nd loop? Not tieing the two TXEN lines
> together or anything?
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
> > ...I've been trying
> > W9GE's suggestion for the last couple of days and haven't
> > lost transmit yet.
> > I'm using a Centaur.
> >
> > Gary W7TEA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:31:11 -0800 (PST)
> From: "D. Kemp" <nn8b at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [TenTec] Argosy Power Supply
> To: tentec at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <20041227213111.1389.qmail at web50701.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I recently bought an Argosy power supply from Ten
> Tec's used item inventory. Get their current list to
> check if one is available.
>
> Up until the power supply addition I used the DC
> circuit breaker from Ten Tec.
>
> The power supply or the circuit breaker is a must have
> for safe operation.
>
> Don NN8B
>
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