[TenTec] This is War!

[NJ0IP]

Yes, we do discuss a lot of off-topic stuff, but I'm not sure this reflector
is the right forum for that topic.

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Which Ten Tec rig does this crap refer to ?


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From: "Roger Borowski" <K9RB at bellsouth.net>
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Subject: [TenTec] This is War!


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> Subject: This is War!
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> Subject: This is War!
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> This WAR is for REAL. More real than most Americans seem to know.
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> To get out of a difficulty, one usually must understand it and go through
it.
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> Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we
know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).
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> The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are
very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who
realize what losing really means.
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> First, let's examine a few basics:
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> 1. When did the threat to us start?
>     Many will say September 11th, 2001.
>     The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979,
>     22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks
>     on us:
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>      . Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
>      . Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
>      . Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
>      . Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
>      . First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
>      . Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
>      . Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
>      . Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
>      . Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
>      . New York World Trade Center 2001;
>      . Pentagon 2001.
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> (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist
attacks worldwide).
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> 2. Why were we attacked?
>      Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms.
>     The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter,
Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush.
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> 3. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no
provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate   predecessors,
Presidents Ford or Carter.
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> 4. Who were the attackers?
>      In each case, the attacks on the U.S. were carried out by Muslims.
The Muslim make up 25% if the Worlds population.
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> 5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?
>       Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that
the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under
the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no
difference. You either went along with the administration or you were
eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for
political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see
http://www.Nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm ).
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> Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as
the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard
of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world
focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his
way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German,
Christian or any others.
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> Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the U.S., but
kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone
else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no
protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims
there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim
leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own
pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful
Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?
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> 6. So who are we at war with?
>      There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than
the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid
verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you
don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.
>
> So with that background, now to the two major questions:
> 1. Can we lose this war?
> 2. What does losing really mean?
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> If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.
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> We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the
major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the
answer to the second question.
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> What does losing mean?
> It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means
hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business,
like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.
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> What losing really means is:
> We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will
not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead,
not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have
produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past  2 1/2
decades. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were
neutered and submissive to them. The plan has been in place since the late
70's, when they realized we had weaknesses and bailed out of Viet Nam.
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> If we lose, we would of course have no future support from any other
nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we
are impotent and cannot help them anymore.  The terrorist Muslims will then
pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be
increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't
matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from
Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told
them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be
done. Spain is finished.  The next will probably be France. Our one hope on
France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win,
they are finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists
without us. However, it may already be too late for France. France is
already 30% Muslim and fading fast!
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> If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will
all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us, if
they were threatened by the Muslims.
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> If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone else?
>      The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are
completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and be
likewise committed to winning at any cost.
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> Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple.
> Until we all recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put
100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that
100% effort to win.
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> So, how can we lose the war?  Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the
war by "imploding." That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize
the enemy and their purpose, and really digging in and lending full support
to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we
continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!
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> Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life
and death seriousness of this situation:  President Bush selects Norman
Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.  Although all of the terrorist
attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age,
Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are
taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going to
have to give up some of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We
had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we
will most certainly lose all of them permanently.  And don't worry that it
is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and
immediately restored them after the victory and in fact added many more
since then.
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> Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?  No, I blame us
for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness, and
all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful,
honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head.
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> Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is
because they just don't recognize what losing means.
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> Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are
divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to
our cause.  Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and
media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies
best what I am saying.  We have recently had an issue, involving the
treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military
police.  These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were
throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting
out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for
disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.
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> And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed
400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type
enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their
charred corpses through the streets of Iraq.  And still more recently, the
same type enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources
internationally, of the beheading of American prisoners they held.
>
> Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days
have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some
Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses
through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.
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> Can this be for real?  The politicians and pundits have even talked of
impeachment of the Secretary of Defense.  If this doesn't show the complete
lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we
are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous
results of losing this war, nothing can.
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> To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner
issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally
oblivious to what is going on in the real world.  Neither we, nor any other
country, can survive this internal strife.  Again I say, this does not mean
that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means
that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we are
in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many
years.
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> Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels!  That
translates into all non-Muslims -- not just in the United States, but
throughout the world.  We are the last bastion of defense.  We have been
criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid in at
least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good,
powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who
attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat
anything bad in the world!  We can't!  If we don't recognize this, our
nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the
World will survive if we are defeated.
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> And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the
press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any
status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that
contributes to the good of the world.  This has been a long way of saying
that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history
books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman Empire.  If, that is, the
Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read.  If we don't
win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France
in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim
population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on the
established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves,
over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them
and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?
>
> Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some
external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically
correct piece by politically correct piece.
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> And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,
worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to
themselves, once they are in power.  They have universally shown that when
they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who
will be the few who control the masses.
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> Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the
"peaceful Muslims"?
>
> I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope the factions in our country
will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to
save our country. It is your future we are talking about!  Do whatever you
can to preserve it.  We must do this not only for ourselves, but for our
children, grandchildren, our country and the world.
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> Pass this on to help spread the word on the gravity of the situation we
are in and the realization of what will happen if we don't unite and
understand what is really at stake. This is the most critical test of the
United States in all of our lifetimes and as I see it, very few Americans
are even remotely aware of what losing means, or even think we can lose. We
definitely can and will if we don't stop worrying about what is politically
correct and start doing what we must do to save ourselves and the world.
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