Hi folks Thanks for the info. I will remember this in 2015, when I buy one at the TenTEc used rig lot. And Ron, you "caress" the rig. "Careless"-ing means that TenTec service will see it shortly. Make sure it is well grounded before you caress it -:) Ron K3MIY PS Figuring out an Onni V. Nice rig that doesn't like 12 volts.