[TenTec] Ocean noise

Sat Feb 11 13:57:36 EST 2006

I was troubled by the Ocean Noise for a good while and thought there was a
noisy stage somewhere along the line.  But I found in my case that was not
the problem--and that in my case there was no problem.

I would suggest trying the following, assuming you are using the latest
version of firmware for the Orion 1.  Try turning the RF gain down until the
ocean sound disappears.  If it does not disappear, you have a problem.  Then
crank it up until you just barely hear the ocean sound.  I am assuming you
are not listening to a signal or to a signal more or less at the noise
level.  

Then effectively disconnect the antenna by selecting the ANT2 or RX antenna
input if nothing is connected to them, or by disconnecting the antenna
manually.  In my Orion, the set goes quiet.  There is no sign of a noisy
internal stage.  In my case the ocean noise was just greatly amplified band
noise.  (I just did this on 17m with the preamp on and found the band
thermal noise to be just audible at a gain setting of 26.  Obviously I don't
need to have the preamp on).  

I have found that W4ZV'z suggestion of setting the audio gain to 50% and
turning the RF gain up just enough to hear band noise is a simple and
effective way to set things up.

I have learned that I don't need a lot of the gain the Orion has to offer.
If I am not looking for weak cw signals, have the RF gain up, and am annoyed
by hearing the Orion amplify thermal noise between cw elements or
characters, I may on occasion go to slow AGC, which on a decent cw signal
will prevent the Ocean from bubbling up between elements.  At this point the
rx sounds like my FT1000MP and 756.  It took me a good while to realize why
the Orion seemed noisy.  The last firmware makes it much easier than did all
the fiddling required by earlier firmware.

YMMV
'73
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]
On Behalf Of RM
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:32 PM
To: 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Ocean noise

Any chance the Noise Reduction (NR) is active?

Ron, NU1U

-----Original Message-----
From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]
On Behalf Of Chortek, Robert L
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 13:19
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Ocean noise

I have the same issue.  Much more noise than my FT1000D.

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Thomas Tow [mailto:ttow1 at charter.net]
Sent:	Sat Feb 11 09:30:15 2006
To:	tentec at contesting.com
Subject:	[TenTec] Ocean noise

Turning down the rf gain was the first thing I tried. Down to 50-60%..still
a LOT more noise than should be and much more than the MK 5. I still suspect
it is some setting but I have not had the time to mess with it. Probably
won't for several days so after my next bout with it, if I find it I will
report. To those who requested the updates, I will get to those also. 73,
Tommy WD4K

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   3. Re: Now UPS Strikes Again (Lew)
   4.  hearing the ocean (Bill Tippett)
   5. WTB- Accessories for 540 (Danny Shaver)
   6. Re: Ten Tec User Net Activity (Martin, AA6E)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:49:42 -0600
From: Robert & Linda McGraw K4TAX <RMcGraw at Blomand.Net>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Now UPS Strikes Again
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Yes, but how does one protect from puncture through two boxes, the outside 
one & inside one, puncture through two layers of 2" thick rigid foam and 
thus leaving dents 1/4" deep and scratches on the equipment?

No drop involved.

73
Bob, K4TAX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew" <ljl160 at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Now UPS Strikes Again

>I learned that packing for UPS must withstand a good 6 foot  drop at 
>minimum
> I live near a main UPS drop off and I've seen just from the counter to the
> back room what happens. DHL is my new mode of shipping- its been very good
> so far. K1NDV
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Robert & Linda McGraw K4TAX
> Date: 02/10/06 23:11:52
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: [TenTec] Now UPS Strikes Again
>
> UPS is an absolute pain in the behind company to do business with.  I too
> received a package via UPS in October.  It was a "drop and run" job thus 
> no
> signature.  Damaged to such extent the outside of the box was torn, the
> inside packing was damaged, the inside box was torn and the inside packing
> damaged as well as the radio equipment.  Filed a claim with UPS, then they
> said it had to go back through the shipping agent and they'd have to make 
> a
> claim.  Then they said the damage was due to inadequate packing.  Come on
> folks, it doesn't take a high school drop-out to figure that one out. 
> Well
> what would one expect?  I guess if it were in a iron box it might have 
> made
> it.  Oh well the story continues.
>
> Well all was done as they requested.  Pictures made and sent as requested.
> Package delivered to the local UPS office as requested.  On and On and On
> and On.  Finally, I figured that their tactic was to stall and stall and
> stall and perhaps I'd just go away.  Well I didn't.  I persisted in being 
> a
> thorn in their behind day after day after day.  Finally, after 4 months I
> got a check but only after they got a letter from my attorney and then a
> summons to appear in local court.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:27:13 -0800 (PST)
From: John Nason / NA9U <na9u at arrl.net>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Ten Tec User Net Activity
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I have been hearing the net about 2:00 PM Central time
on or about 7.251.  Much QRM from broadcasters.  I
just got my O2 so I will be interested in seeing how
all the filtering will handle the carriers.  

73, 
John NA9U

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> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Could someone please post the latest 
> date/time/frequency info on any Ten Tec User Net 
> Activity?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Best 73 de N1LQ-Dave 
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:32:48 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: "Lew" <ljl160 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Now UPS Strikes Again
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The puncture wounds are new to me!  Probably fork lift damage maybe???   I
have even double boxed and used some indoor -outdoor carpet along with
everything else however it adds weight to the shipping cost.  I think that
DHL drivers have a vested interest in making things arrive in good shape-so
I hear. I shipped out a dozen or so items since last summer via DHL and it
worked for me. They were fast and cheaper than most. I even sent a large
cubical quad out west and it arrived in good shape. The package was 13 ft
long x 1 ft  diam and about 50 lbs!   73 Lew/KlNDV

-------Original Message-------

From: Robert & Linda McGraw K4TAX
Date: 02/11/06 09:06:12
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Now UPS Strikes Again

Yes, but how does one protect from puncture through two boxes, the outside
one & inside one, puncture through two layers of 2" thick rigid foam and
thus leaving dents 1/4" deep and scratches on the equipment?

No drop involved.

73
Bob, K4TAX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lew" <ljl160 at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Now UPS Strikes Again

>I learned that packing for UPS must withstand a good 6 foot  drop at
>minimum
> I live near a main UPS drop off and I've seen just from the counter to the
> back room what happens. DHL is my new mode of shipping- its been very good
> so far. K1NDV
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Robert & Linda McGraw K4TAX
> Date: 02/10/06 23:11:52
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: [TenTec] Now UPS Strikes Again
>
> UPS is an absolute pain in the behind company to do business with.  I too
> received a package via UPS in October.  It was a "drop and run" job thus
> no
> signature.  Damaged to such extent the outside of the box was torn, the
> inside packing was damaged, the inside box was torn and the inside packing
> damaged as well as the radio equipment.  Filed a claim with UPS, then they
> said it had to go back through the shipping agent and they'd have to make
> a
> claim.  Then they said the damage was due to inadequate packing.  Come on
> folks, it doesn't take a high school drop-out to figure that one out.
> Well
> what would one expect?  I guess if it were in a iron box it might have
> made
> it.  Oh well the story continues.
>
> Well all was done as they requested.  Pictures made and sent as requested.
> Package delivered to the local UPS office as requested.  On and On and On
> and On.  Finally, I figured that their tactic was to stall and stall and
> stall and perhaps I'd just go away.  Well I didn't.  I persisted in being
> a
> thorn in their behind day after day after day.  Finally, after 4 months I
> got a check but only after they got a letter from my attorney and then a
> summons to appear in local court.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:42:06 -0500
From: Bill Tippett <btippett at alum.mit.edu>
Subject: [TenTec]  hearing the ocean
To: tentec at contesting.com
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WD4K wrote:

 >not including my trip to the ocean when I turn it on. :)

         Before you throw it in the ocean, try
turning RF Gain down until the noise drops.
This is exactly the point I was making before
about users not setting RF Gain correctly and
complaining "My Orion is noisy".  :-)

                                 73,  Bill  W4ZV 

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:19:11 -0600
From: "Danny Shaver" <n5nbk at nortexinfo.net>
Subject: [TenTec] WTB- Accessories for 540
To: <tentec at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c62f1e$83212670$037dfea9 at DannyShaver>
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I am still looking for accessories for my 540 (triton IV). I am primarily
looking for the digital readout and the 160 meter converter, but would
consider complete stations, or even a 544. Must be in good condition
electrically and cosmetically. 

Thanks- Danny

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:48:25 -0500
From: "Martin, AA6E" <martin.ewing at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Ten Tec User Net Activity
To: na9u at arrl.net,	Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
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I checked in once.  Good news, bad news.  Good: the Orion can pull
weak ham sigs out from between the broadcasters.  Bad:  It's still
hard to get through on 100W -- no fun on the East Coast!  Why can't
there be a better time / freq?  Mornings on 40 or evenings on 80 seem
like a better deal.

73 Martin AA6E (in CT)

On 2/11/06, John Nason / NA9U <na9u at arrl.net> wrote:
> I have been hearing the net about 2:00 PM Central time
> on or about 7.251.  Much QRM from broadcasters.  I
> just got my O2 so I will be interested in seeing how
> all the filtering will handle the carriers.
>
> 73,
> John NA9U
>

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