[TenTec] Using Airpax breaker

Sun Jun 18 17:21:40 EDT 2006

The King of Kootie Keys has spoken and correctly so.

This TenTec reflector appears to be infested with guys that don't 
correctly read messages. I've seen it happen on other reflectors but 
not as frequent as on this reflector.  Maybe infested is too strong a 
word but it sure appears this way to me at times. You can get some 
great help from SOME of the guys on this reflector. Mike is one of the best.

73..de John/K4WJ

p.s. I call him the Kootie Key King because he has one great looking 
kootie key. Check QRZ.COM if you haven't already seen it. (I call it 
a Kootie Key just to keep the Ks going. I believe it is referred to 
as a Kootie bug.)

At 04:30 PM 6/18/2006, Mike Hyder  -N4NT- wrote:
>You know, the unbelievable part of this discussion is how quickly people
>weigh in with their opinions having no facts to back them up.  Putting the
>rigs of other people at risk because "I feel" or "I find it easier to
>believe..." or "search google" are without a doubt the most self-serving,
>grandiose proclamations I've seen lately.  If you think fuses are better,
>take it up with Ten-Tec or with a mystic and use fuses on your own rigs.  A
>man asked the best way to connect the wires to his magnetic circuit breaker
>and was answered by somebody who told him that a circuit breaker was not as
>good (fast) as a fuse.
>
>I would respectfully suggest that until one can back up his opinions with
>some independently verifiable facts by citing such, he keep them to himself.
>This is not alchemy.  It is not Zen.  It is, we hope, a fairly reliable
>source of pretty good advice based upon our experience or facts.
>
>I renew my call to any of you diviners:  please find and link all of us to
>specifications for ANY fuse which will operate at 18 DC amps and trip at
>24.9 DC amps in 10 to 20 milliseconds or less.  We await your reply.
>
>Mike N4NT
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken Brown" <ken.d.brown at hawaiiantel.net>
>To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [TenTec] Using Airpax breaker
>
>
> > Specifications for both fuses and circuit breakers are probably
> > available, which would include the amount of time that it take to
> > transition from closed to open after an over current condition begins.
> > When I think about the mechanics of a circuit breaker versus a fuse, and
> > the amount of mass which has to move in order for the path to open in a
> > circuit breaker versus a fuse, I find it easier to believe that the fuse
> > is faster. Some very smart engineers have put a lot of effort into
> > designing both fuses and circuit breakers, and it may be the results of
> > their efforts contradict my intuitive sense that a fuse opens faster.
> > Comparison of specification sheets ought to settle it.
> >
> > Ken N6KB
> >
> > Tommy wrote:
> >> Hi Art,
> >>
> >> I agree with you Art. It is true this should not become a 'fuss'
> >> because Mike is correct and your statement is simply incorrect. End
> >> of story. Period!
> >>
> >> Happy Fathers Day.....
> >>
> >> Tom - W4BQF
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At Sunday 09:56 AM 6/18/2006, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sorry Mike you are very very wrong.  Fuses are always used when one
> >>> wants the best protection for solid state equipment or even in large
> >>> industrial applications for  motors etc they are mandatory.  But I don't
> >>> plan on getting into an on line fuss so this is my last email on the
> >>> subject.  If anyone is interested just do a google search.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>> Art
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike Hyder -N4NT- wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Because I believe that people have the right to be wrong, I normally
> >>>> wouldn't respond to this.  Art is 100% wrong.  I want nobody to lose a
> >>>> rig
> >>>> because of his advice.  The Air-Pax circuit breakers are much faster
> >>>> than
> >>>> fuses.  A fuse will not separate quick enough to reliably protect a
> >>>> rig.
> >>>>
> >>>> About how to connect them: I crimp the spade connectors to the wires
> >>>> and
> >>>> slide them onto the contacts of the Air-Pax.  I do not know the
> >>>>
> >>> best way but
> >>>
> >>>> my way works find and runs no risk of heat damage to the breaker.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73, Mike N4NT
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Rideout Family" <wa6ipd at dslextreme.com>
> >>>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 5:29 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Using Airpax breaker
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> If you are looking for over current protection fuses are the way to go
> >>>>> they can clear in 1/2 cycle or less.  Circuit breakers are mechanical
> >>>>> devices with moving parts, and break the circuit too slowly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Art,
> >>>>> WA6IPD
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kirk Braunius wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> How do some of you on the list mount Airpax breakers in a power line
> >>>>>> between
> >>>>>> p/s and radio?  I'm planning on putting mine in a small metal box.
> >>>>>> Do
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> attach spade connectors to your power line and slip onto breaker, or
> >>>>>> solder
> >>>>>> directly to the breaker?  If soldering, what kind of mechanical
> >>>>>> connection
> >>>>>> do you start with?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Kirk
> >>>>>> AI4PZ
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