[TenTec] 2.033

[Gary Hoffman]

I just meant that 15 kHz is a frequency in the audio range.  I know it is
used as an IF frequency in the Orion.  The point was that the frequency is
very low....low enough that DSP chips can process the data in the manner I
indicated.

I was talking about DSP Noise Reduction.  Bandwidth filters are another,
simpler, thing.

Gary


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas Shock" <douglas.shock at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] 2.033


> Gary,
> you sure the dsp BW filtering is audio? Seems to me that it is in the 3rd
if
> at 14KhZ? Is my thinking wrong? Now if you are talking about NR then I
agree
> with you.
>
> And I agree with your expected DSP explanation...this is what I am
> accustomed to.
>
> On 5/3/06, Gary Hoffman <ghoffman at spacetech.com> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW.....not ALL DSP just narrows bandwidth.
> >
> > The way it worked when I used to work with audio DSP systems in a
previous
> > life (and the IF of the Orion is at an audio frequency) is that each
> > sample
> > of the A to D converter is compared to those around it, and a
correlation
> > level is established.  (Excuse me that I've forgotten the correct
> > technical
> > language they used).  Speech and tones (like CW) are highly correlated,
in
> > that each sample tends to be relatively closely related to those that
came
> > before.  Random noise, of course, is not highly correlated.
> >
> > The noise is reduced by simply deleting those samples not correlated.
> >
> > Then the remainder go through D to A and come out as sound again.
> >
> > The NR reduction level control (or whatever its called) simply shifts
how
> > much correlation is required before a sample is either kept or
> > rejected.  A
> > higher setting requires more correlation before the sample is kept.  Of
> > course if you turn it up too high, then too many samples are rejected,
and
> > you get weird sounding sound after you go back from Digital to Audio.
> >
> > Has nothing whatsoever to do with a bandwidth limiting filter.  That, of
> > course, is another approach, which works to a certain degree also.  But
> > not
> > what a real DSP noise reducer does.
> >
> > Now....how much of each does the Orion do ?  That I cannot tell you, not
> > being privvy to the design details.  Perhaps the folks at Ten Tec would
> > like
> > to tell us ?
> >
> > Note - years ago, when I did this, we could do it on the fly with a DSP
> > processor.  I'm sure the processors they have now far outperform the
ones
> > we
> > had then.  So, its doable, and practical, essentially with a single
chip.
> >
> > 73 de Gary, AA2IZ
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Tippett" <btippett at alum.mit.edu>
> > To: <tentec at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TenTec] 2.033
> >
> >
> > > NQ5T:
> > >
> > >  >the one thing I'm absolutely certain of is that it
> > > adds nothing to (S+N)/N ratio, and at any BW below
> > > about 1000 Hz actually degrades it.
> > >
> > >          Just to clarify Orion's implementation
> > > of DSP NR, I believe your statement is true for ANY
> > > DSP rig with real-time processing (i.e the DSP is
> > > achieving NR simply by BW reduction).  To do more
> > > (e.g. JPL's image enhancements) requires reprocessing
> > > the recorded signal many times with literally hours of
> > > latency even using super-computers.
> > >
> > >          There is no free lunch and DSP is not magic,
> > > despite what some manufacturers (notably not Ten-Tec)
> > > would lead you to believe.
> > >
> > >                                  73,  Bill  W4ZV
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TenTec mailing list
> > > TenTec at contesting.com
> > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/tentec
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TenTec mailing list
> > TenTec at contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/tentec
> >
> _______________________________________________
> TenTec mailing list
> TenTec at contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/tentec
>
>