[TenTec] Fwd: Final Firmware O2

Wed Nov 11 13:20:30 PST 2009

Douglas,

You made a statement that "If it (the ORION II) was such a great and
finished product then why did most if not all of the Ham Radio's Top
contest-DX operators bail on TenTec?".   I was just curious to know what
source of information you based your statement on.  Also, I was curious to
know if your source also included information on what transceivers "top
contest-DX operators" were bailing to.  I find it telling that you did not
respond to either question.

The article in NCJ did not come out of a fiery bush onto a tablet of stone,
but the author did cite ARRL Lab test data.  A reasonable person might
consider that more than just "opinion".

Marsh

-----Original Message-----
From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]
On Behalf Of Douglas Shock
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:34 PM
To: tentec at contesting.com
Subject: [TenTec] Fwd: Final Firmware O2

Well, I think it is the authors responsibility to not show BIAS so I take
his review not as fact but as his opinion. If you choose to use this authors
"opinion" as fact then more power to you.  Secondly, do you place yourself
in the ranks of ON4UN and company?

Listen, I am just stating what I see as fact in my small meaningless little
world. I "Personally" disagree with TenTecs product management. I am not
going to debate my own opinion with you or anybody else as this reflector
wore me down years ago.

So take your jab, have the last word...whatever it takes to ensure "you" are
happy.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Marshall Stewart <marsh at ka5m.net> wrote:

> Douglas,
>
> What is your source of information for your following statement?
>
> "If it was such a great and finished product then why did most if not all
> of
> the Ham Radio's Top contest-DX operators bail on TenTec?"
>
> What did they bail to?
>
> The National Contest Journal July/August 2009 Volume 37 Number 4 contains
> an
> extensive article on "Choosing an HF Radio for Serious Contesting and
> DXing".  Of the four (4) transceivers the author picks, the Ten-Tec ORION
> II
> is one of them.
>
> I'm not convinced that I've ever missed a DX or contest QSO that I could
> have worked if I had been using something better than my ORION II.
>
> 73,
> Marsh, KA5M
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]
> On Behalf Of Douglas Shock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:02 AM
> To: Scott Harwood; Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Final Firmware O2
>
> Whiners? Do you really feel that was required Scott? So your level of
> expectation on a delivered product is different than others. I personally
> find no fault in OI-OII  owners holding TenTec's feet to the fire on the
> marketing campaign they used for both radios. that hardly makes me a
> whiner.
> If it was such a great and finished product then why did most if not all
of
> the Ham Radio's Top contest-DX operators bail on TenTec? Maybe they knew
> something you don't?
>
> Sure, in its base form it is a fair radio. But face the facts man...you
> really believe they got the firmware right? And to release a beta with
> enhancements that in themselves are broke but no fixes and then are never
> heard from again? Sounds like the joke is on the operator if you support
> this business practice.
>
> So drive on if you still drink the TenTec coolaid or just find it
necessary
> to defend your spent monies. But respect the rights of others homie...
>
> Hiding behind your keyboard with big mouth and no accountability is not a
> good thing.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Scott Harwood
> <scotthsr at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
> > I couldn't have said it better, Dennis.
> >
> > Good job.  I hope enough "whiners" read it.
> >
> > Palstar does have great stuff.  I have two tuners.  They could improve
on
> > answering emails, though.
> >
> > Scott K4VWK
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Dennis OConnor <ad4hk2004 at yahoo.com>
> > >Sent: Nov 11, 2009 8:37 AM
> > >To: tentec at contesting.com
> > >Subject: [TenTec]  Final Firmware O2
> > >
> > >Hmmm, some of you need to cut back on the coffee...
> > >
> > >The O2 is a fine radio, well positioned in the upper reaches of ham
> radio
> > transceivers...
> > >The biggest whine I see is that they are not producing enough firmware
> > changes to make you happy..
> > >It appears that some believe the K3 radio with its rapid parade of
> > firmware revisions is somehow superior because it needs frequent
revising
> -
> > this does not bespeak superior, to me; adaptable maybe, a secondary
hobby
> in
> > it's own right, but not necessarily superior......
> > >
> > >Then I read the moaning about the O2 sweep; and they didn't do this,
> they
> > didn't do that, etc...
> > >Last time I checked the ads the K3 does not have a sweep screen...  But
> > somehow, not having a sweep screen makes it the superior radio, because
> > Orion is not upgrading its sweep screen fast enough - the logic of that
> > escapes me...
> > >If you want a radio with a fancy sweep screen get a Pro III...
> > >If you want an even fancier sweep screen get an LP PAN for your Orion /
> > K3...
> > >
> > >If you want an even fancier radio get one of the $11K to $13K  models
> from
> > the land of the rising sun - but don't expect the factory to answer the
> > phone and put the technician that built and aligned your radio on the
> phone
> > to talk you through a problem - which both Orion and Elecraft do
> > routinely...
> > >
> > >I happen to have the O2... I have looked hard at the K3 with the more
> > capable sub receiver - as recently as 2 weeks ago...  But, the less
> > desirable ergonomics of the radio outweigh the receiver advantage and I
> > opted to stay with the Orion for the third year... The O2 has the best
> > combination of receiver and ergonomics I have found in 45 years of ham
> > radio...
> > >
> > >Lastly, I am thrilled to have Ten Tec and Elecraft slugging it out in
> the
> > ham radio arena... A vast improvement over the import radios that have
> > dominated the ham business for some time..
> > >And while I am mentioning US companies, let me point out that PALSTAR
> > acquired the Commander amplifiers and has put considerable time,
> innovation,
> > and money, into improving those amps until they appear to me, to be the
> best
> > amps in the business...  They now have a complete line of tuners, meters
> and
> > high quality amps...  You could do a lot worse than spend your ham
> dollars
> > with them - and drive that amp with a new O2 or K3...
> > >
> > >denny / k8do
> > >
> > >
> > >
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