[TenTec] wither CW?

[Phil Chambley Sr.]

You're entirely right, John.

As long as it's within the rule boundaries, there is no need for ethics to 
be involved.

Guess I'm too old and crotchety to discuss what I think anymore.

BTW, I haven't written down anything but the important stuff I copied in 55 
years.

Phil C. Sr.
k4dpk

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Graves" <jh.graves at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?


> Not to be combative but.....
>
> why is different than someone using cw skimmer along with an automated
> contest program so the only code involved 99% of the time is which
> function key needs to pushed.  I will admit that a very high percentage
> of contesters can copy the code and are utilizing technology to increase
> the score.  If you allow one then why not the other?  I don't believe
> that the rules require anyone to actually copy the code by hand.
>
> John / WA1JG
>
>
> Phil Chambley Sr. wrote:
>>
>>  Possibly I didn't clarify my point to the extent necessary.  I have 
>> nothing
>> against the use of keyers, bugs (I use both) or even keyboards for 
>> sending.
>>
>>
>>
>> But nowadays one can find a DX station's frequency on a cluster, have the
>> computer copy him and then press a button to send a canned transmission, 
>> and
>> do all this without being able to copy his own name at 5 wpm.  These are 
>> the
>> ones to which I referred, and I think there should be a scoring 
>> difference
>> for those, compared to folks who actually do know the code at whatever
>> level.
>>
>>
>>
>> It bothers me to hear someone say he worked  a station on CW, when in 
>> fact
>> he can't copy or send at any speed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil C. Sr.
>>
>> k4dpk
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "N4PY2" <n4py2 at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
>>
>>
>>> Nobody that is at all serious about contesting uses a straight key.  I
>>> know
>>> many contesters, many who are highly skilled at CW.  They all use keyers
>>> with memories to send their CQ's and copy in their heads to get the 
>>> QSO's.
>>> All these people can easily copy CW at 40+ wpm in their heads.  The 
>>> keyers
>>> are just a mechanism to send the CW with.  It is almost impossible to 
>>> send
>>> CW at 20 wpm or higher with a straight key.  They do not use code 
>>> readers.
>>> Code readers are useless during typical QRM during a contest.
>>>
>>> Carl Moreschi N4PY
>>> 121 Little Bell Drive
>>> Hays, NC 28635
>>> www.n4py.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Richards" <jruing at ameritech.net>
>>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't want to hijack the thread or cause a flame war,  but I agree
>>>> with the notion there should be more points awarded to contesters
>>>> (contestants?) who actually pound out the code with their fist, and who
>>>> do not use electronic keyers to generate transmitted code.  I thank we
>>>> should reward the operator for HIS skill, not that of his computer.  I
>>>> know this would slow the pace, and reduce the number of contacts,  but
>>>> it would be the operator, and not his computer at work.   If contests,
>>>> like field day, are to simulate high pressure, need to operate NOW,
>>>> scenarios, then  he would need to have his own ability to pound the
>>>> brass, as a computer may not be available. I don't use a voice keyer on
>>>> SSB contests for the same reason.  If I can't talk for 24 hours, and 
>>>> the
>>>> other guy can, he deserves to win.
>>>>
>>>> And, parenthetically, I'm finding this code thing terribly difficult 
>>>> to
>>>> learn!
>>>> But I will get there, eventually...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just my take....
>>>>
>>>> Happy trails.
>>>>
>>>> ====================  Richards - K8JHR ====================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2010 4:56 PM, Jim Brown K9YC wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Virtually ALL serious contesters use computers to SEND CW,
>>>>> but the vast majority I know of use the computer between
>>>>> his/her ears to COPY it.
>>>>>
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