[TenTec] The Eagle

Sun Sep 26 18:12:54 PDT 2010

I say yes this can be build... if you strip the eagle down to bare minimum,
and have only a the simple controls that the older rigs, how can it not be
built.  Strip off the DSP, and have fixed filters.  Most of the circuitry
has already been designed.  The Output PA is done, the VFO is done, Audio
portion is done, all that is really needed is to repackage it.  I am talking
about a basic HF transceiver here.  No Split, no memories, to dual VFOs, no
fancy multi color display, no IF port, just something simple to get people
on the air.

The Tentec Triton has the following controls:

Band
AF gain
RF Gain
Drive
ALC
Resonate
Offset
Mode (SSB, SSB-R, CW 1, CW 2, Tune)
VFO

With the modern designs this can be dropped to:

AF Gain
RF Gain
ALC
Mic Gain
Offset
Mode (Same modes)
VFO

That is 7 knobs.

How can this not be build in a production environment and be sold for under
$500 and make a profit?  Like I said most of the electronic design work has
been done already, so where is the real cost driver here?

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Rick - NJ0IP / DJ0IP <Rick at dj0ip.de> wrote:

> Maybe because it can't be built in this country for the price you are
> proposing...
> Not sure it can be built in any country for that price.
>
> When I became a ham, 48 years ago, I too began with used equipment.
> Couldn't afford a new rig.
>
> New hams don't need the performance of the Eagle to make contacts.
> The Eagle is a serious radio, and you just don't get one new for 700 bucks.
>
> That's like saying, why can't someone build a good car for $5000?  Or
> $7000?
>
> Someone said it earlier...the FT-450 is a great radio for the price.
> I think it's about $800 new.
>
> 73
> Rick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]
>  On Behalf Of Louis Ciotti
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:27 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Eagle
>
> Just my $0.02 worth....
>
> The eagle looks nice... simple controls, simple display... etc..
>
> Personally what I would like to see out of TenTec is a good entry level
> HF+6M radio.
>
> I am what is considered a "new" ham.  only been licenced a hand full of
> years.  My first HF radio was my grandfathers old model 540 (Triton IV).
> And you know what... I love the simplicity of that radio.  No menus, just
> knobs on the front panel.  I have often wondered why can't any manufacture
> make a nice entry level rig with a similar number of controls all on the
> front panel.  Include 4 filters, normal & narrow SSB and CW filters with
> fixed BW on each.  I am thinking a sort of "throwback" rig, but with a
> modern internal design.  Simple Analog SWR meter, Digital frequency
> display,
> sensitive receiver, Tentec QSK, 5-100W output power, a NB... what else
> would
> a new ham need, and priced around $500.
>
> I often hear how the "hobby is dieing" well hard to get people involved in
> a
> hobby where an new "entry level" radio is priced over $700.  Sure there is
> a
> market for more expensive radios with more bells and whistles, but there is
> a big hole for new hams still getting their feet wet.  Sure there are
> used/older radios, but why not have a decent new radio with all the
> benefits
> of newer modular designs, newer manufacturing styles, etc.... and priced at
> a level that won't leave the new Tech stuck on 2M because a new HF radio is
> out of his reach price wise.
>
> 73,
>
> Lou
> K2LRV
>
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Rick - NJ0IP / DJ0IP <Rick at dj0ip.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Paul, I couldn't disagree more, although you are right :-)
> >
> > For me, I don't give a hoot about a connection for a Pan adapter.
> > I need a radio, not a tv set.
> > I want to have a separate RX antenna input.
> > I want to have the ability to insert a preselector when I use the radio
> in
> > Europe.
> >
> > But you know what....I can install both of those myself.  I don't need
> > TenTec to do it for me.  I have a drill.
> >
> > My take, TenTec wanted to get the product to market as quickly as
> possible.
> > FULLY AGREE, they should make a few extra holes on the back panel.
> > But get the product on the market ASAP to stop the erosion away from the
> > brand.
> >
> > To my knowledge, this is the first Ten-Tec transceiver that does not have
> 2
> > extra "spare" RCA phono plugs on the back panel.  Too bad.
> >
> > 73
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:
> tentec-bounces at contesting.com]
> > On Behalf Of Paul Christensen
> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:26 PM
> > To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> > Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Eagle
> >  Importance: High
> >
> > Probably the most significant way to sway TS-590 purchasers over to the
> > Eagle is to include a 9 MHz I.F. port for use with LP-PAN, SDR-IQ, or
> QS1R
> > as a panadapter and second Rx.  For the minimal manufacturing effort, I
> > just
> >
> > cannot see how this one significant feature could be overlooked with the
> > full production unit.  At the very least, a panel hole for a BNC jack
> > should
> >
> > be provided for those that want to add their own I.F. buffer, like that
> > manufactured and sold by Jack Smith at Clifton Labs.
> >
> > Paul,  W9AC
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richards" <jruing at ameritech.net>
> > To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Eagle
> >
> >
> > > OK... I can follow that.    Thanks for the additional gloss.
> > >
> > >
> > > ======================  JHR  ============================
> > >
> > > On 9/26/2010 16:41, Rick - NJ0IP / DJ0IP wrote:
> > >> Richards, I made that statement about having degrade GC receivers if
> > they
> > >> are in a transceiver; but it is NOT true for the Omni VII.
> > >
> > >> The receiver is only degraded when you are trying to receive at or
> near
> > >> the
> > >> IF frequency (i.e., 9 MHz).
> > >> It is not degraded across the rest of the GC spectrum.  Sorry for the
> > >> confusion.
> > >>
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