[TenTec] Interfacing Computers to Rigs

[Phil Sussman]

I certainly agree that Jim did a fantastic job and certainly the benefit
of his experience is appreciated by many, myself included.

This exchange does remind me of "The little Red Hen." While everyone with
this problem (and some who don't) certainly wants the benefit of knowing
what is going on, it can be said that many of the "poor hams" are lazy
when it comes to someone else doing the 'leg work.'

I agree with Jim that knowledge is power and that sharing knowledge obtained
is surely a gift. Unfortunately, it should be appreciated, but often  
it is not!

73 de Phil - N8PS

PS. FBO Jim, I do not hate my work, but merely grow frustrated with those
who want results without undertaking any work of their own to understand.
To paraphrase: Why bother to understand how a car works when you can find
someone else to drive you. (to the point of even opening and closing the
doors for you)

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Quoting WESLEY ATTAWAY <wesattaway at bellsouth.net>:

> To chime in on the subject, I think Jim has done a real good job  
> explaining some
> subject matter that is mystifying to most hams.  He debunks a lot of  
> myths and
> steers people in the right direction for many topics ..... noise  
> suppression and
> impedance matching to name a couple.  Jim gives hams the option of  
> being able to
> simply solve a problem (winding some coils, or whatever, to  
> accomplish a goal)
> or to go further and actually try to understand the underlying theory.
>
> His approach is fairly straight-forward but he does have to go into  
> discussions
> of theory in order to make his points.  Without this, the serious  
> reader would
> be left with a lot of questions.  However, he does give hams who are not
> interested in the gory details a way to accomplish their task.
>
> I have an EE degree and have also become a certified computer  
> forensics expert
> (in my later years) and I can tell you that there is no way to understand the
> theory and details of any of this stuff without a heck of a lot of head
> scratching, mental agony, frustration, and lots of time.  I do not  
> think there
> is a way to make it "simple" without leaving whoever goes through a simple
> course woefully unprepared.
>
> Writing manuals for people to use when operating equipment is one thing, and
> even that, as someone has already said, is an inexact science fraught with
> unpleasant surprises.  Simplicity is fine, but the dumb-down  
> approach to subject
> matter to the point that it is devoid of details is one thing that is getting
> the majority of college graduates into real trouble (aside from being in debt
> slavery).
>
> The simple art of reading is now a big problem, thanks to the  
> "simple" approach
> schools seem to have embraced.  Writing simple sentences with correct grammar
> and spelling is another lost art, again thanks to educational  
> simplicity.  Given
> all this, is it any wonder that a lot of people think Jim's technical work is
> too complicated?
>
> Most people can learn a lot more than they think they can.  It just  
> takes work
> and devotion to the task.  There are a lot of lazy minds around,  
> unfortunately
> inside of very lazy bodies, that are just begging to be given something
> worthwhile to do.
>
> Sometimes I think we forget that ham radio is a hobby.  Some folks are
> technically oriented and some are not.  Some are great code ops and others
> haven't ever made a CW QSO.  Some people computerize everything and  
> others use
> 50-year old boat anchors on 75-meter AM only.  Presumably, everyone has fun.
>
> Why should everyone need to understand what Jim or anyone else writes about
> "technical theory"?
>
>
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>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Brown <k9yc at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: tentec at contesting.com
> Sent: Sun, October 30, 2011 7:41:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Interfacing Computers to Rigs
>
> On 10/30/2011 10:56 AM, Casey wrote:
>> My point is this: Jim wants people to stop using isolation circuits and
>> his "carrot" to them is simply to tell them to do it the "right way" and
>> the right way is to go study 66+ pages of technical material and to sort
>> it all out for yourself.
>
> Not true.  I specifically pointed you to two small portions of the
> tutorial, each only a few pages.
>
>>
>> I really can't understand Jim's expectations when the alternative for
>> hams without an EE is to simply spend some money for the gizmo that
>> provides some kind of solution. It's not very helpful or understanding
>> of those hams who are not EEs to just throw a link at them. Being right
>> doesn't necessarily mean anyone is going to listen to you.
>
> I'm simply trying to help hams who are always crying "poor" to save
> their hard earned money. Nothing is free, including knowledge.  We must
> pay for it by devoting our hours and our brains to study.  It does NOT
> require an EE degree. Most guys of my generation who learned radio did
> so by studying the ARRL Handbook and the ARRL License Manual. We did
> that LONG before we finished high school.
>
>> And, please, don't tell me that passing any multiple choice exam where
>> the entire question/answer pool is public is equivalent in any way to
>> real electronics knowledge.
>
> The ARRL License manual has always included a course on electronics and
> radio fundamentals in one form or another.   If someone choses to be
> lazy and cram for the multiple choice test by memorizing answers, that's
> their choice, and if they didn't learn much in the process, that's a
> problem they made for yourself.  Those of us who passed the General exam
> in the old days had to draw schematics of fundamental circuit types!
>
> Phil wrote:
>
>
>> As someone who has written "greatly simplified instructions" to a
>> class of highly trained individuals, I have discovered that about half
>> of those who read my (2/3 of a page of #12 type) work are 'lost.' It's
>> frustrating because it's written to a fifth grade level.
>>
>>
>> Some thoughts:
>>
>> 1. The simpler the better. If it's too long, it's too distracting.
>> 2. Technical people are the most easily confused. (They think they know??)
>> 3. Some people want the bottom line without any explanation and that's all.
>
>
> As you noted, Phil, you were getting paid to do that, and you said you
> hated it.  I do my writing for pleasure, and to share what I've learned
> with others who want to learn. I certainly benefitted from that when I
> was starting out. That's the tradition of ham radio, what ARRL calls
> "Elmering," and what I call "giving back."  I also made my living for
> five years by teaching electronics at a technical school (DeVry). Any
> GOOD teacher will tell you that any education that does not include hard
> work by the student is a lousy education.
>
> 73, Jim Brown K9YC
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