[TenTec] CW Filters ???

Wed May 16 04:53:01 PDT 2012

I mostly use the 6kHz filter because I need the noise blanker most of the
time. A much narrower roofing filter makes little difference here where it's
a big day when I hear more than 3 stations on a band at once, and that's
during CQ WW, so we don't have really bad overload issues mostly. I tried
the 250Hz filter and didn't like it at all.

Sure would make sense in some cases to stay away from the added gain stages
that go with the 2 narrower filters if they are not needed and maybe a 600Hz
in the 1kHz slot is a reasonable compromise for those occasions that warrant
it.

All round I think Ten-Tec have a good balance between flexibility and
performance with the various filter settings, now if only they would fix the
S meter/RF gain/ AGC mess.

Martin, HS0ZED

-----Original Message-----
From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]
On Behalf Of Bob McGraw - K4TAX
Sent: 16 May 2012 18:41
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] CW Filters ???

The filters do become active when the DSP BW is at or less than the
prescribed filter BW.  Remember these are roofing filters and it is the DSP
that determines the selectivity of receive.  The roofing filters basically
protect the AGC from strong signals outside of the DSP passband.

Putting a narrow filter in a slot and telling the radio it is a wider filter
is more like trying to force a cherry through a soda straw.

73
Bob, K4TAX

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP" <Rick at DJ0IP.de>
To: "'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'" <tentec at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] CW Filters ???

> Barry, as I understand it, the 300 Hz filter doesn't kick in until the DSP

> is tuned to 300Hz, so effectively its only active when you are down to 300

> Hz anyway.
>
> Just an idea, but maybe you could plug it into the 500 Hz slot or tell the

> software that it is 500 Hz.  That way it would be in the circuit as soon 
> as the DSP is adjusted to 500 Hz or below.
>
> I must say that operating with just a 250 Hz in my Eagle, I rarely have it

> down to 250 Hz unless there is a contest (and you need less than 250 Hz), 
> and I haven't seen any problems.  It's just as Barry says, sufficient the 
> vast majority of the times.  On the few occasions where you get QRM, just 
> crank it down to 250 Hz.
>
> Of course the best solution is to have BOTH.
>
> 73
> Rick
>
> PS  Yes, I too noticed that I first said 250 Hz, then I agreed with Carl 
> on 500 Hz, and now I'm with Barry, back to 250 Hz.  Pretty wishy washy. 
> Perhaps I should run for some political office!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]

> On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:24 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] CW Filters ???
>
> The vast majority of the time, DSP filtering is sufficient.  You need the 
> analog filter when there's very strong signals outside of the dsp filter 
> passband, strong enough that the analog to digital converter can't handle 
> them.  When the going gets that tough, I'd opt for 300hz but it really is 
> a matter of personal preference.
>
> My experience is that the Collins 500hz and 300hz filters used in the
> Omni7 run a little wide - I think the 500hz is more like 600hz and the 
> 300hz is more like 400hz.  So the 300hz filter isn't as narrow as you 
> might think.
>
> Barry N1EU
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick at dj0ip.de> 
> wrote:
>> There you go James, as I predicted, you have now received all possible
>> answers.
>> As I said, it is a matter of taste.
>> We all have different preferences.
>>
>> Perhaps Carl has the best suggestion for a beginner in CW.
>> Mine was more targeted for someone really seriously CW contesting.
>>
>> So I will change my answer for now and say go with Carl's proposal,
>> buy the
>> 500 Hz filter.
>> When you advance, you can always buy the 300 Hz filter later.
>>
>> 73
>> Rick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tentec-bounces at contesting.com
>> [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com]
>> On Behalf Of Carl Moreschi
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:46 PM
>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] CW Filters ???
>>
>> I'm going to go against the grain here and say just buy the 500 hertz
>> filter.  The 500 hertz filter adds badly needed skirts to the DSP 
>> filters.
>> I find I almost always use 500 hertz on CW as the filter width.
>>
>> The 300 hertz filter is rarely used by me.  Only when the going gets
>> very tough do I find there is an improvement with this filter.  I find
>> with the
>> 500 hertz filter and a DSP setting of 200, things are close to the
>> best you can get.
>>
>> Carl Moreschi N4PY
>> 121 Little Bell Dr.
>> Hays, NC 28635
>> www.n4py.com
>>
>> On 5/15/2012 2:53 PM, Richards wrote:
>>> I am learning the Code and will soon try CW mode.   I shall commence
>>> with casual contacts, but eventually want to work CW contests with
>>> the big boys at the contest station, with whom I now work phone 
>>> contacts.
>>>
>>> I have a stock Omni VII transceiver.
>>>
>>>               QUERY:
>>>
>>>               Should I buy either or both additional 500 Hz and
>>>               or the 300 Hz mechanical filters?
>>>
>>>
>>> Money is not a big object, but I don't wanna spend more than I must,
>>> as that leaves me to buy other goodies for the shack.
>>>
>>> [ Will this start a big fight ? ]      ;-)
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
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