[TenTec] [SMC] OT: Half inch Andrews Heliax LDF4-50A vs LMR-400

[Cecil]

LMR 400DB was. Designed for direct burial....you did good.  It has a water shielding goop impregnating the shield.  If the jacket gets nicked the shield is protected by it...and the water won't migrate along the cable....no worries...

Cecil
K5DL

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On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Richards <jrichards at k8jhr.com> wrote:

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> On 4/26/2013 4:58 PM, Stuart Rohre wrote:
>> As to worrying about buried LMR 400, that would best be done before
>> burying.
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>    Yes... but it has been out there for a few years
>    already, so it amounts to a fait accompli !   I
>    wonder how long before I will need to replace it.
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> Any coax candidate for your use should state on its data
>> sheet, or catalog page, "non contaminating jacket".
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>    I used Times-Microwave LMR-400 DB - around 55 ft.
>    Seemed like a good idea at the time.
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> Even if it is that,
>> I come from the old school, and to avoid unknown earth character as to
>> acid or alkali content; I would bury a conduit of PVC, then insert the
>> coax in that.
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>    Ah.... yes.   Excellent point.  At time time, I was
>    trying to remain within budget, minimize the damage
>    and visual impact on the lawn, and maximize XYL approval
>    of my 65 radials and buried feed line, so some compromise
>    was due.  I made no other compromises in the installation, so
>    I figured LMR-400 DB would be OK for such a short run -AND
>    I was not sure how long it would remain in the yard.
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>    Did I mention it was the last week of November and it snowed
>    as we laid the first batch of 30 radials...?
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>    And did I mention how much help the XYL was in completing
>    the project before it started to snow?   I bet there are
>    very few hams with a photos of his young bride helping
>    to dig the trench for his buried transmission line...
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>    http://tinyurl.com/bvjv6lo
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>    Here is a photo of my most valuable ham shack accessory...
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>    http://tinyurl.com/bo8tmb6
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> At the mid conduit, you want to put a spacer under it to
>> raise the middle, before closing the trench, such that its center is
>> slightly higher than either end, so that condensation will flow to the
>> ends.  The ends should be weather resistant by putting on an elbow and a
>> riser piece, and create by other elbows, a J type exit, with the "J"
>> upside down.  The coax then exits facing the ground on each end.  If you
>> don't glue the J parts, you can take off the elbows to swab out
>> condensation that may collect at the bottom of the conduit.
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>    All very good considerations.  We decided to eschew such
>    precautions in favor of a quick and easy installation
>    and figured it would only need to last a few years,
>    before I did something else.   If I have to replace it
>    in a couple of years, it will be easy enough to do for
>    such a short run.   Maybe then I will pay more attention
>    to a permanent installation as you describe.  That is
>    surely the right way to go.
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>> The Wireman sells or did, some direct burial coax, and it is identified
>> as such; but I still prefer to protect the coax.  Soil is dynamic, and
>> rocks rise to the surface or move about, such that one might abrade and
>> cut the jacket of direct buried coax.
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>    Quite right, but there better not be any big
>    rocks bubbling to the surface in MY yard...!
>    The developer spent good money on clearing, grading
>    and dumping clean top soil before doing the lawn.
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>    Nevertheless, your point is well taken!     ;-)
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>> For safety, be sure and ground the coax shield to a ground rod before
>> the coax enters through your wall.  That is a good spot to install a
>> coaxial surge arrestor as well, with short conductor without sharp
>> turns, direct to the rod clamp  Rods should be driven nearly into the
>> ground, leaving just enough for the clamp to be higher than rain water
>> accumulates.
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>    DONE!   I have just such a device on the input patch
>    cable that runs between the remote coax switch and the
>    house - attached to four 8 foot ground stakes I located
>    within ten feet of the shack feed-through point.  I used
>    full sized ground rods, and appropriate clamps as reviewed
>    by the electrician I hired to run two extra AC lines to the
>    shack when I purchased and remodeled the home.
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