[TenTec] Orion Power Out
art N4UC
n4uc at hotmail.com
Sat Oct 12 19:39:09 EDT 2013
Thanks Bob. I feel pretty good about the power distribution I have going. It's about 2 feet of #12 zip cord fresh off the reel from Wireman here at the Huntsville Hamfest, so it must be good! It's kinda funny, when I dropped the radio off at the factory for some service back in the winter, it had power poles installed. When Paul C. saw them he commented that he would replace those with original connector at no charge. I have wondered if that was their policy for all radios or did he just not like my installation handiwork! Anyway, I feel sure that the DC supply to the radio is not the problem here. I seem to remember there are a couple of pots that are used in the alignment of drive, ALC, etc... but I couldn't pry a copy of the procedure for that alignment out of the service dept (probably a good thing!). I don't have any high-tech test equipment here, just a fluke 8060 DVM and a scope which works OK if you jiggle the input connector. If a problem requires more than those two items, I let somebody else handle it!
Keep 'em straight up there in the north country!
73, Art
> From: RMcGraw at Blomand.net
> To: tentec at contesting.com
> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:22:55 -0500
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion Power Out
>
> With the info reported, the voltage drop as indicated at the back of the
> radio seems a bit excessive to me. If not done so, I'd look at using at
> least #12 AWG between the PS and the radio terminals. Also be sure the
> connections are tight at both the PS and the radio. In my application I do
> use crimp type lugs but take the extra step and solder as well as crimp. I
> use #12 auto primary wire for the DC application as my DC power supply is
> adjacent to the radio. Thus the power cable is only about 3 ft in length.
> If your DC power cable is longer in the order of 4 ft to 6 ft or longer, I'd
> opt for #10 AWG size wire. Also, be sure to have a ground connected
> between the radio ground terminal and the power supply ground terminal.
> This is in addition to the DC negative lead.
>
> I'd also check the regulation at the power supply using a no load or receive
> condition and then a CW key down transmit mode. Any variation there will
> only get worse at the radio. With my supply I see typically a 0.05 volt
> drop or less between no load and maximum load at the power supply. I use a
> Astron SS-30M supply. Between the power supply and the radio typically I
> measure a 0.25 volt drop on the POS side and 0.25 volt drop on the NEG side
> of the DC power cable. The total voltage drop is then ~0.5 volts. By
> adding the additional ground between the power supply and the radio the
> effect of the IR drop on the NEG side is largely negated and thus my
> effective voltage drop between the PS and the radio is only ~0.3 volts.
>
> Somewhat historically, some of the power connectors at the radio have been
> known to heat thus making for a loose connection, the result of poor a
> connection. While I have not personally done so, some owners have changed
> the original Tentec connector to a more favorable 30A Power Pole connector.
> I recall that these are available as PC mound configuration connectors.
>
> You will find that the radio does draw noticeably more current on some
> bands, specifically the higher ones, than on others. Anticipate about a 25
> amp max value while some bands will be in the order of 16 amps at 100 watts
> output.
>
> If this does not improve the issue, I'd contact Paul at Tentec Service and
> inquire about a RF TX Gain alignment procedure. Before you attempt this, be
> sure you have a very accurate power measuring system.
>
> In speaking of power measurements, for my application, I have a Bird 43P
> plus I use a HP RF Voltmeter to measure the RF voltage across a 50.5 ohm
> Bird dummy load. With this method, doing the math, 71.0 volts is 100 watts.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "art N4UC" <n4uc at hotmail.com>
> To: "TenTec reflector" <tentec at contesting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion Power Out
>
>
> > Hi Rick.
> > RF power measurements are taken both into dummy load and well matched
> > antenna (SWR=1.2) . Power supply voltage at back panel connector is 13.95V
> > key-up, and 12.85 key-down on 10, 12.75 on all other bands. More current
> > being drawn at the higher power outputs. Voltage measurements taken on a
> > Fluke 8060A meter.
> >
> > You bring up a good possibility Rick. I am reading the power output on a
> > TenTec 1225 wattmeter which I have not calibrated in a long while, so I
> > do need to do that. However, the power meter on the Orion does read 100
> > (full scale) on all bands except 10 and 15, where it reads about 75 % of
> > FS on 10 and 85 % on 15. While these may be pretty close to actual power
> > readings, I just take these to be values relative to FS.
> >
> > Tnx es 73, Art
> >
> >> From: Rick at DJ0IP.de
> >> To: tentec at contesting.com
> >> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:36:42 +0200
> >> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion Power Out
> >>
> >> Art, are you measuring with a dummy load attached or with an antenna?
> >> What power supply are you using, and what are its key up and key down
> >> voltages at the transceiver back panel?
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Rick, DJ0IP
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of art N4UC
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 5:45 AM
> >> To: TenTec reflector
> >> Subject: [TenTec] Orion Power Out
> >>
> >> After getting my 565 Orion back from the factory earlier this year, I've
> >> noticed that I only get about 50W out on 10M, and 80W on 15. All other
> >> bands
> >> are over 100W out. I can't say for sure what the numbers were when it
> >> went
> >> in and I know it's a minor nit in the grand scheme of things, but it's
> >> the
> >> principle of the thing especially since I don't drive an amp. Is this
> >> typical of Orions, or is there a tweak in order?
> >>
> >> Art/N4UC
> >>
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