[TenTec] Any update on a replacement for the Orion II?

Sat Apr 5 16:27:00 EDT 2014

Rick,

I think your the one that needs to go easy here.  John is one of the 
nicest people I know.

Carl Moreschi N4PY
58 Hogwood Rd
Louisburg, NC 27549
www.n4py.com

On 4/5/2014 4:20 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
> Easy John.
> I was only trying to point out that success is dependent on good
> organization, not the radio.
>
> As Yogi Berra once said,
> "Everybody wants to be a winner... but very few people are willing to
> prepare to win."
>
> It's all about preparation.
> Generally 2 years of preparation precede a 2 week expedition.
>
> Unfortunately Ten-Tec hasn't much mind share with the boys doing the
> planning.
> Don't hold your breath expecting to see Eagles out there any time soon.
>
> In a smaller, controlled environment where a handful of guys all know each
> other, then several Eagles would make good sense.
> But when 30 operators from several different countries come together and
> meet for the first time on site, it's better to have equipment that you are
> sure everybody knows.  Currently that is the K3.
>
> Cheers John!
>
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of John
> Huffman
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 10:03 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Any update on a replacement for the Orion II?
>
> Wow, you sure read more into that than was intended.  I was just saying that
> lesser radios can do the job.
>
> Your message never mentioned any contest club or other organization.
> Just the 'boys'.  Please forgive me for insulting the 'boys'.  Please
> forgive me for not knowing the 'boys' was your contest club.  Please forgive
> me for insulting your contest club. Forgive me for 'trashing'
> your club and it's policies.
>
> You are always right.  I am always wrong.  Is it possible to find
> forgiveness in your heart for my grievous behavior?  I promise never to
> question any statement you make or add my opinion to any of your statements.
>
> 73 de K1ESE
> John
>
>
>
> On 4/5/2014 3:45 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> You ask if I am familiar with T32C...
>> That's like asking if Pope if he is Catholic.
>> I sponsor nearly every major DX-pedition in the world with antennas.
>>
>> Are you by chance a member of any contest club or expedition club?
>>
>> I have been for over 30 years.
>> Our clubs define standards for all of the equipment and organize
>> accordingly.
>> Not only are the radios defined, but so are things like mike
>> connectors, headphone connectors, etc. - down to the last detail.
>> We must comply.  And they have never allowed us to bring along a
>> Ten-Tec, even though several of us love our Ten-Tecs.
>>
>> Before you trash our club and its policies, perhaps you should
>> consider that we hold the all time high score record for CQWW in CW
>> and SSB for Europe, AND the all time WORLD RECORD (overall) in both
>> modes.  One of the things which helped us achieve this is
>> standardization, leaving little room for operator error.
>>
>> Once again:  the boys don't like equipment they are not familiar with.
>>
>> Check out what the T32C boys ended up using for antennas.  Most were
>> built on our masts.  Reason:  they had them from us from previous
>> expeditions that we sponsored.  When they returned, several of them
>> privately bought a lot more kit from us, so that they would be
>> prepared in case something like that happened again.
>>
>> Ask any of the guys who went along how they liked the 450.  I know
>> several of them personally.  The radios weren't great but they were all
> they had.
>> You can't look a gift horse in the mouth.
>> I SINCERELY APPRECIATE WHAT YAESU DID IN A CRASH ACTION TO HELP MAKE
>> THAT EXPEDITION A SUCCESS.
>>
>> We always plan, but in a disaster, I'd use a razor blade and a pencil
>> lead as a detector if that was all I had available.
>> "Any port in a strom" (hi).
>>
>> Unfortunately Ten-Tec does not do loaners for DX-Peditions.  So the
>> Eagle is OUT.
>>
>> The 2008 Ducie Island DX Pedition (VP6DX) was co-organized and led by
>> the Carsten (DL6LAU) the German Ten-Tec distributor.
>> Being unable to obtain loaners from Ten-Tec, he contacted Elecraft who
>> promptly loaned them enough K3s to man all stations.
>> Lost opportunity!
>> BTW, 100% of the VP6DX antenna masts came from "guess who".
>> Recently Tim (K3LR) who is now president of DX-Engineering, did a video
>> interview with Carsten about that and other expeditions.   See:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvwNcGP0y6w
>>
>> The only major contest station I know using Ten-Tec is KQ4I.
>>
>> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
>> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of John
>> Huffman
>> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 9:07 PM
>> To: n4py3 at earthlink.net; Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Any update on a replacement for the Orion II?
>>
>> Rick -
>>
>> Carl handled the USB port issue.  Let me give you my two cents on the
>> dxpedition part of your message.
>>
>> You said - "if you are going on an expedition with 20 other guys, you
>> need to take rigs that people are familiar with..."  and "the boys
>> don't like different. "
>>
>> One of the most successful dxpeditions in the past few years was T32C
>> with over 200,000 QSOs.  The boys 'liked' the FT5000 and that was the
>> rig they were going to use.  The container got lost and at the last
>> minute Yaesu gave them ten FT-450s to use.
>>
>> The FT-450 may be the least expensive rig available.  It is one of the
>> simplest to use.  I doubt any of the big gun ops were familiar with it.
>> But, the results of the dxpediton were outstanding.  Just maybe a
>> good, solid, simple radio will do a great job.  The Eagle falls into
>> that category.  I wonder what would happen if Ten Tec gave dxpeditions
> 'loaner'
>> Eagles?
>>
>> 73 de K1ESE
>> John
>>
>>
>> On 4/5/2014 2:31 PM, Carl Moreschi wrote:
>>> Rick,
>>>
>>> Even though the Eagle only has a USB port, Windows makes that appear
>>> as a normal comport.  So any program that is written for the Orion,
>>> can work with the Eagle for simple things like logging.  Take a look
>>> at Windows Device Driver list and turn your Eagle on and then off.
>>> You will see a new comport get added to the list and then get removed
>>> when you power off the Eagle. OmniRig only needs a definition for it
>>> and the Orion may in fact work for it.
>>>
>>> Carl Moreschi N4PY
>>> 58 Hogwood Rd
>>> Louisburg, NC 27549
>>> www.n4py.com
>>>
>>> On 4/5/2014 1:35 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
>>>> The PROBLEM with the Eagle is, it is not very popular, in general.
>>>> If you are going alone, it's great.
>>>> But if you are going on an expedition with 20 other guys, you need
>>>> to take rigs that people are familiar with an like.
>>>> Ten-Tec has always been "different" and on expeditions, the boys
>>>> don't like different.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, although the USB connection is innovative, we pay the price.
>>>> Many of the common software programs won't integrate properly with
>>>> it and that's a shame.
>>>> Lots of programs use OMNIRIG as the rig I/F and they have yet to
>>>> write a driver for a USB rig.
>>>> I tried to get them to do it but they replied with "write it yourself".
>>>> You can generally run the program in Orion2 mode, but there will
>>>> always be things that don't work.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, everything works with the K3.
>>>>
>>>> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
>>>> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ron
>>>> Notarius W3WN
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 6:44 PM
>>>> To: 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'
>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Any update on a replacement for the Orion II?
>>>>
>>>> Bry, let me put it this way...
>>>>
>>>> If I was going on a trip or a DXpedition, where size and weight of
>>>> the radio was a major consideration (such as air travel restrictions
>>>> on luggage), I would probably take a K3 with me, all else being
>>>> equal.
>>>>
>>>> But if that wasn't the case, that is, physical size wasn't an
>>>> issue... I'd take my Omni VII or even the Omni VI+.  I'm just more
>>>> comfortable with the larger front panel and layout.
>>>>
>>>> And I wouldn't rule out the Eagle over the K3, I just haven't used
>>>> one enough to know if I'd like it under traveling conditions.  (Now,
>>>> if anyone wants to send me an Eagle to evaluate, I won't turn them
>>>> down... but that never happens...)
>>>>
>>>> 73, ron w3wn
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Brian Carling
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 6:37 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Any update on a replacement for the Orion II?
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean that the ergonomics might bother some people ?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards - Bry Carling AF4K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 4, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Barry N1EU<barry.n1eu at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Bill Cotter<n4lg at qx.net>   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Elecraft K3 is an incredible radio at a fair price point. You
>>>>>> can "accessorize" it to suit your wallet. With the panadaptor and
>>>>>> filter choices You should be able to improve on your present
>>>>>> Orion-II platform.
>>>>> Sorry.  Agree with everything you say except the K3 is a lateral
>>>>> move and best be sure K3 ergonomics will be suitable to you.  I
>>>>> have done a serious amount of operating on both platforms.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,   Barry N1EU
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