[TenTec] Wish List for ORION-III

Tue Apr 8 14:01:05 EDT 2014

I have now fully integrated the Woodbox radio Tmate2 with all my 
software.  The Tmate2 has 3 knobs and 9 buttons and you can choose from 
a list of over 60 functions to set for each control.  Additionally the 
Tmate2 has a nice LCD display on it.  This is a new feature that I have 
added and it is available in beta form on my test page.  If you want to 
try this out, send an email to me and I will provide full info.

I also have full implementation for the Flex Knob from Flex radio.

Carl Moreschi N4PY
58 Hogwood Rd
Louisburg, NC 27549
www.n4py.com

On 4/8/2014 11:14 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
> You may very well be correct, Carl.
> Rob hasn't sent me any data on the 6500 yet.
>
> I was assuming its performance and behavior will be in the ballpark of the
> 5000.
> Just shows to go ya, assumptions are always dangerous!
>
> All my earlier comments were based on my knowledge of the 5000's performance
> so they may be totally off on the 6500, but I have to say I remain skeptical
> until I've seen lab measurements and heard field feedback from a larger
> Field Day operation.
> REMEMBER: We were all astonished by the 5000's lab measurements, only to get
> a reality check at Field Day.
>
> However, still no knobs!
>
> We're beginning to see some nice 3rd party PODs hit the market, so maybe
> that problem will get solved too.
> Then we only have to work on the price!
>
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carl
> Moreschi
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:47 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Wish List for ORION-III
>
> NO the 6500 does not behave like the 5000.  The 6500 has a clip point of
> S9 + 80 DB.  That's a HUGE signal.
>
> Carl Moreschi N4PY
> 58 Hogwood Rd
> Louisburg, NC 27549
> www.n4py.com
>
> On 4/8/2014 9:40 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
>> Carl, Yes AND NO!
>>
>> For all of us operating at home (alone), YES.  At least as far as
>> technology goes.  Not sure if operator acceptance is there yet.
>>
>> But, for a Field Day, especially a larger club with 5 or 6
>> transmitters, you often find yourself in the situation that there are
>> two stations operating on 40m at the same time (1 in CW, 1 in SSB),
>> and two stations operating on 20m at the same time.  Under THESE
>> circumstances, the BDR3 of a Flex 6500 radio (or similar) drops by 20+dB!
>> A K3 under the same circumstances does not drop in BDR3 at all and
>> will easily out-perform the Flex.
>>
>> As it turns out, precisely the components that helps this technology
>> achieve the great performance (by avoiding Crystal filter, additional
>> oscillator, mixer, etc., all of which can cause additional IMD), are
>> the cause of the drop in BDR3 in this specific case.  Not having these
>> components in the radio causes this drop.  A decent crystal roofing
>> filter would avoid this drop.
>> IT'S A DOUBLE SIDED SWORD.
>>
>> It's described in one of Rob Sherwood's presentation (I forgot which
>> one, but it's on my web).  In that specific case it was the Flex 5000,
>> but the
>> 6500 will behave just like this.
>> It was in one of the "BARC" presentations (probably 2009) and came up
>> in the Q&A session after the slides were finished, so you have to
>> listen to the long audio of the Q&A at the end of the presentation to pick
> this point up.
>>
>> Most likely Rob will read this at some time and jump in with more info
>> on this point.
>>
>> Unfortunately there is still no silver bullet.
>>
>> AND, if Ten-Tec were to do this, it would be "outdar" ahead of the
>> power curve taking arrows in its back.
>> Seems there are still an awful lot of people who want to have real
>> knobs, especially amongst contesters.
>> I have yet to see anyone using an SDR (knobless) radio win any major
>> contest.
>>
>> My hunch is, at a Multi-Multi station where you have 6 stations
>> running 1.5kW at once, you will see a similar drop in BDR3 - again due
>> to missing roofing filter, BUT I DO NOT KNOW THIS TO BE FACT.  JUST A
> HUNCH.
>>
>> Finally, as for size, if the radio must be larger to fit everything
>> in, then make it higher.  My problem is with real estate on the
>> desktop.  I had to buy a new desk when I bought the Orion.  I'd have
>> to do that again if the O3 were that big again.  (sold the old desk
>> when I moved to the states in
>> 20007)
>>
>> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
>> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carl
>> Moreschi
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 2:24 PM
>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Wish List for ORION-III
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> This is all too outdated a way to make a transceiver now.  The new
>> best way is to create 100% digital data right at the antenna connection.
>> Then everything is done in software.  The new Flex 6500 does this and
>> the results are totally amazing.  No more crystal filters at all and
>> the
>> 2 khz dynamic range is above 100 db.  I believe in a few years all
>> good radios will be made this way.
>>
>> Carl Moreschi N4PY
>> 58 Hogwood Rd
>> Louisburg, NC 27549
>> www.n4py.com
>>
>>
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