[TenTec] ARRL Phase Noise Data Plotted to 1 MHz

Kim Elmore cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net
Sun Jul 27 17:32:36 EDT 2014


Nicely done, Jim.

Since I have an O II, I looked at that one first. I see the O II shows 
the lowest phase noise out to about 2.5 kHz, where it matched the K3, 
then heads the wrong way. It's #2 to about 7.5 kHz and then is among the 
worst (THE worst) at 50 kHz. At 300 kHz, it's still worse that the IC7600.

The TS-590 and Eagle comparisons are interesting, too: close in, the 
Eagle is 10 dB better than the '590, but the phase noise difference 
vanishes and they two are in a dead heat by 5 kHz from the carrier. The 
Eagle is better by ~10 dB at 10 kHz, but the two become essentially 
identical by 11 kHz.

The K3 monotonically decreases with separation from the carrier and does 
it at a steep rate -- well done!

I know that there's more to the overall "stuff" generated by 
transmitters, but the phase noise characteristics of the K3 with 
frequency are quite impressive.

How might we look at a total noise figure? Phase noise is in dBC/Hz, so 
we can't simply sum it with things like IMD. Should we integrate the 
phase noise power as a function of bandwidth, so that we can look at the 
phase noise power for CW and SSB (pick a defining bandwidths)? How, 
then, do we handle the other noise sources that don't integrate as 
nicely across the pass band?

Perhaps there's no single number that we can generate -- each represents 
a different "dimension" of the total problem.

Kim N5OP

On 7/27/2014 3:45 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> The title says it all -- Rick asked for it, and I did it this morning, 
> changing the frequency axis to log and moving labels around. I also 
> added data for the new IC7100, a do everything cheapie with a remote 
> head, just reviewed in July QST.
>
> k9yc.com/TXPhaseNoise-1MHz.png
>
> For the Field Day problem, look at the data around 200-300 kHz -- 
> that's what we run into when we run CW and SSB on the same band. 
> There's 15 dB difference between the IC7100 and the IC7600/TS590, and 
> the K3 is another 17 dB better than the best of those!
>
> And, as I noted in an earlier post, this is only one part of the 
> problem -- there's also IMD on both TX and RX, clicks, audio 
> distortion, and RX phase noise. This stuff CANNOT be filtered -- it's 
> all "in band."
>
> Now I'm going to tackle the key click data.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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Kim Elmore, Ph.D. (Adj. Assoc. Prof., OU School of Meteorology, CCM, PP 
SEL/MEL/Glider, N5OP, 2nd Class Radiotelegraph, GROL)

/"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in 
practice, there is." //-- Attributed to many people; it's so true that 
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