[TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers

Thu May 29 10:10:59 EDT 2014

You don't even want to get me started....

Maybe the quality was the same...maybe it wasn't...I don't know...but just the fact that your company (and many others) took its manufacturing to China is at the root of much that is wrong with America today.  We as a country will be paying for the decisions of those companies for a very long time.  I'm convinced its driven by greed, and short sightedness....the lure of high profit margins at the expense of the long term well being of a great nation.  Why...for any amount of money....we would sell our souls to a Communist nation after all we have done in the last 200+ years to insure the freedoms we enjoy, defies all logic.

Take back our Country folks...

Buy American where you can...support businesses that are bringing their manufacturing home.

I'm off my soap box now...
Will probably be banned for life from this reflector....

Cecil
K5DL

Sent from my iPad

> On May 29, 2014, at 7:19 AM, george fritkin via TenTec <tentec at contesting.com> wrote:
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> As the former CEO of a large electronics company, I really object to this out of hand criticism of not made in USA manufacturing, and stating that we just slap labels on products without justification.  Have any of you ever been in a modern factory in Chine?   Under my command, our quality standards and honesty were world wide and the same
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> George, W6GF
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> On Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:11 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <RMcGraw at Blomand.net> wrote:
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> Indeed true.  Very well stated and one to which we should all take heed.
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> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "José Félix Ballester" <jfballester at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec at contesting.com>
> Cc: "Kimberly Elmore" <cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
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> 
> Been there suffered that.   That’s the way totalitarian governments 
> (economies ) operate and if they are run by communists who like many 
> religions want to dominate those who don’t think like them, they will do 
> whatever they believe will work to their advantage and to their “enemies” 
> disadvantage.  Yeah, let’s continue to purchase their stuff… They are not 
> Japan (today) nor Taiwan though Taiwan may soon soon be absorbed my her 
> bigger neighbor and we won’t be able to do anything to prevent it.   I won’t 
> be around to suffer the consequences but unfortunately my grand kids or 
> great grand kids will.   We continue to invest in their power building to 
> our detriment.   Hope and pray that I an completely wrong.
> 73, Pepe WP3HW
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> On May 28, 2014, at 2:22 PM, K8JHR <jrichards at k8jhr.com> wrote:
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>> On 5/28/2014 1:48 PM, Kimberly Elmore wrote:
>> How is it that the Chinese make these so cheaply? Is all the cost in 
>> labor, or do the Chinese make
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> Communism, Comrade. The Chinese government supports and runs its whole 
> economy and it has decided to run certain sectors at a loss while it builds 
> up infrastructure and steals business from the established Western markets. 
> Undercutting the Western markets with what is known (to companies like 
> Walmart) as "predatory pricing."  Walmart has been cited for this in GA and 
> AL and the like - it moves in and sells bottles of aspirin for seventeen 
> cents, and when Mom and Pop local store goes under, it puts the price back 
> up to regular and owns the market.  No I am not dissing Walmart pe se, but 
> this is a fact and has been in the news for many years, and Walmart has paid 
> millions in fines for doing it, but it just eats the fines as a cost of 
> doing business, and moves on to the next town and thereby became the 
> economic leviathan it is today.
> 
> So, how can a Chinese guy on eBay sell a $2 switch for $1 and include 
> shipping?  Easy, the whole deal from building the plan, to acquiring 
> resources, and shipping to customers, is subsidized by the government and 
> the rest of its economy, and it sells at a loss -- toss in cheap labor, 
> lower cost of development (they copy our stuff and violate patents with no 
> apparent remorse or shame), and use cheap substandard components (spend a 
> little time researching transistor quality and bootlegging issues on the 
> i-net)  and they employ lower mfg tolerances, and ignore the cost of 
> pollution and put up with it instead of cleaning it up, and consider loads 
> of other factors, and you get stuff for cheap, undercutting the US and EU 
> markets, and shifting the balance of trade, and the flow of currency..., and 
> more... and know eventually they will be the only guys making stuff - then, 
> as in the Walmart example, they will up the price and recoup the losses they 
> incurred early on.  Look at the Beijing Olympics... they had to shut the 
> town down for several days to allow the pollution to subside just to keep 
> from choking the competitors... even then it was awful and was a problem. 
> We must pay to clean up our environment.  This is just one saving we cannot 
> legally afford.
> 
> Anyone can do this if they have sufficient opportunity, capital, and 
> financing to run at a loss until the competition succumbs.  US companies 
> shift their manufacturing facilities there, their design facilities there, 
> and wonder why no one is working here any more... Hmmm... can you say 
> "bankruptcy?"  I can and made a pot full off it.  But when nobody has a real 
> job any more, TT and the rest of us will be up a tree.
> 
> The good news is that SOME US companies are getting creative and digging in, 
> making stuff in different ways, and with different materials, and with 
> higher quality, and there is a bit of a surge in US manufacturing of late. 
> Whether it will make it overall is a question we cannot yet answer, but 
> there IS a bit of a positive trend.  The Electrolux plant closed about 7 
> years ago, and moved to Mexico;  but they want to come back because US 
> workers work harder, more carefully, and don't siesta on really hot days. 
> Oddly, the Union tried to block it.  So there are nutty trends all over.
> 
> But not hard to imagine how they make cheap parts and distribute and sell 
> cheap all over the world.  Easy when you don't have to pay your own bills. 
> Monitor international debt figures... it is confusing, and amazing, at the 
> same time.
> 
> Just My take.
> 
> All I can say... is all this negativism is bring me down and hardly helping 
> TT reorganize and make a profit.
> 
> Some have wondered why TT got into that arduino thing... but looking at the 
> covers of QST and other ham magazines, and seeing what was presented at 
> Dayton forums,  and looking at the rise of the Maker thing and seeing the 
> THEME of the Dayton Hamvention was "MAKERS"...  and seeing how much of that 
> is going on... one should realize TT is ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF IT... and the 
> only difference between now and then, is what they are making is different. 
> They are not making Heathkit type kits...  but the ARE MAKING STUFF... 
> digital and small computer stuff... and the local guys are into it big 
> time... and maybe, must maybe, TT IS ON THE LEADING EDGE AGAIN.
> 
> But still, all this doom, gloom and negativism based on mere speculation is 
> getting depressing.
> 
> Just MY take... your mileage may vary.
> 
> ===================== JR ================================
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