[TenTec] OT Computer Assistance
Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP
Rick at DJ0IP.de
Sat Nov 22 17:04:25 EST 2014
Wade - the computer isn't telling us where Bambi is standing in the woods,
it's only keeping track of how many Bambi's we've already shot. The
spotting network is telling us where Bambi is.
You began by blaming the computer. But your complaint afterwards had
nothing to do with the computer, it was all about people using the spotting
networks. This has nothing to do with the computer, except that you
couldn't use the network without a computer. Don't be unfair against the
poor computer. It's not the computer's fault. As I said, we were logging
with the computer more than 10 years before the spotting networks arrived.
The rest of your complaint is fair.
I agree, and I also prefer contesting without all that cr at p.
I only use it because that is the only way to optimize my score, which I do
to help my club win the international club championship. This is probably
not much better than Lance Armstrong doping to win the Tour de France,
except what we do is legal.
73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Wade Staggs
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:40 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT Computer Assistance
*I am not into contests anyway. It just seems to me that it would be easier
to IM that person, if you are using a Computer. Call me an Old Xart ....
But, Field Day is a great joy to me. Logging Programs are Great. And I have
no objections as to how a contest works in any way. But, if we did contest
here at this Shack. It would seem like Cheating to Me.. And we did add To Me
... If you know Exactly Where Bambi, is standing in the woods. Would it
still be called Hunting? I have never gotten into Digi, PSK, OnStar, Dstar
or any of that. If a Technician Class Operator, wants to work the World (
except on 10 meters ) My feeling is that they should need to Upgrade their
Ticket. Anymore, the test is just a memory exercise anyway..... Thanks for
your comments OM. We enjoy each and every post you make also. Not trying to
start anything, just offering my opinion. My line speed at the Farm ( phone
line ) is 14.2 Kbs ... And no high speed provider for miles in any
direction.... Some of the Reflector's are pretty much band width hogs on my
Very Slow Connection....*
* 73 from Wade/KJ4WS*
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick at dj0ip.de> wrote:
> Wade, you are a wonderful guy, but I have to disagree! (hi) Let me
> explain.
>
> You are one of my most favorite people in this group, but you seem not
> to understand on important point:
> People (contest participants) have a choice.
>
> In 1976, LONG before CT or any other software was on the market, I
> thought of using software to improve our efficiency and ease the pain
> of calculating the final results of a CQWW DX contest. It typically
> took us days to calculate our results.
>
> I tackled the problem, had a "Softy" in our QRL write a program for me
> and in 1997 I used a computer to log CQWW CW for the first time. For
> sure I was one of the fist in the world to do this. About 10 years
> before most people began using logging software.
>
> It's only 2 tasks during the contest were to log the QSO and check for
> duplicates. Nothing wrong with that.
> After the contest it took about 10 minutes to calculate our results;
> much better than several days of manual calculations.
> Nothing wrong with that.
>
> Perhaps you should re-think what you wrote. What is wrong with using
> a computer for this?
>
> THEN CAME THE PR CLUSTER.
> Admitted, I'm personally part of that problem, because I co-installed
> the very first PR cluster in DL.
>
> THAT was the software that told us where the DX station was. But this
> information was available to everyone, not just the chosen few.
>
> Before we had that, we had 2m and 70cm "spotting nets" where people
> verbally gave this type of information on to others.
> That was very local thing, helping only the local hams.
> There were hundreds of these around the world.
> Was that fair? - In this case, I say "I don't think so."
>
> The PR cluster at least made this information available to everyone
> within reach of the repeater.
> Seems to me to be more fair than only sharing with your local friends!
> It was more fair than the previous method of local spotting groups.
>
> Then came the Internet DX spots.
> It spread the local spots around the world.
> Seems even more fair than before. Everyone has an equal chance.
>
> Then came the Skimmers. Again, shared equally with everyone.
> Is that unfair?
>
> Each contestant has the choice to enter "Assisted" or "Unassisted".
> Unassisted means you do not use any of this. You find everything
yourself.
> You only compete against others who don't use any of this.
>
> EVERY CONTEST to this day still offers us the possibility of
> participating in unassisted.
> You don't compete with the others using these modern technologies.
> What's wrong with that?
>
> I find every advancement to be beneficial to contesting as a whole.
> I also understand those who choose not to use it.
> Nothing wrong with that.
>
> You may choose whether to participate as QRP, 100w, or as 1.5kW station.
> You may also choose whether to participate as "Assisted" or "Unassisted".
> What's wrong with that?
>
> So Wade, for the first time ever, I totally disagree with you. (hi)
>
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Wade
> Staggs
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 8:29 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT Computer Assistance
>
> *Hello to All,*
> * I don't think it is Fair to use a Computer in
> Contests. In my way of looking at it, where would the fun be in Deer
> Hunting.... If you already know which tree he will be standing under?
> Also, if we know that a person is doing Computer/Keyboard CW ..... I
> will Never answer their calls. A memory keyer for calling CQ may be OK
> but having 30 or so prerecorded phrases at your Push Button Command is
> Cheating ....
> Plain and Simple...*
>
> * 73 de Wade/KJ4WS*
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Spencer <W1GAK at centurylink.net> wrote:
>
> > SDR, fft, spectrum analysis, CAT, panadaptor are really neat toys
> > but I just dont see the the point of using a computer to do the
> > contesting for me. I dont need a radio to do that, all I need is
> > some computer savvy. My 7 year old grandson can do that.
> >
> > IMHO
> >
> > Spencer W1GAK
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