[TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program

[John Simon]

Ummm, why are we talking about an Icom radio on the Ten-Tec email list?  I 
don't think I could think of a more insulting insult than to do so.





73, John de VK2XGJ
Women and cats will do as they please,
men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea!


-----Original Message----- 
From: rick at dj0ip.de
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:47 AM
To: 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'
Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program

The overload problem was reported by:

> Rob Sherwood in his test of the 7300

> Adam Farson in his test of the 7300

> ARRL/QST in their test of the 7300

> RSGB/RadCom in their test of the 7300

> DARC/CQ DL in their test of the 7300

> The German Magazine FunkAmateur in their test of the 7300

> Several contesters in contest forums

> And then an ICOM reply in one of the forums where a user had complained to 
> ICOM that his 7300 didn't hack it but his 7410 with optional roofing 
> filters did....

Here is ICOM's reply (from an eham.net review):
==================================
" Thank you for contacting Icom America.

Unfortunately given the extremely harsh operating environment you are forced 
to operate in the IC-7410 with the optional roofing filters or one of the 
higher end rigs will likely be required.  You could try a pre-selector with 
the IC-7300

Click here for information regarding Warranty Registration, Service/Repair 
Authorization form, Knowledge Base & Technical Support: 
http://www.icomamerica.com/en/support/default.aspx

Sincerely,
###### (erased tech name)
Technical Support Representative
Icom America, Inc.
12421 Willows Road NE
Kirkland, WA 98034 "
==================================

ICOM is recommending a preselector if you want to operate the IC-7300 in a 
contest.
The preselector rejects out of band strong signals and helps reduce front 
end overload.

Hmmmmm, no wonder Jim (and I) have the  “opinion”  that the 7300 has an 
overload problem.

It is what it is:  Over-hyped by the ham community, not by ICOM.

And Ten-Tec has been trashed by the ham community for one year, which 
unfortunately has scared many users into bailing out from their good radios.

For contesting, so far there is still nothing under $2K that is better than 
my Eagle.
Most likely there will be something in the next year or two using direct 
sampling, but it will have knobs and not require a computer.

73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)



-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly 
Elmore
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:24 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program

Interesting observations on the IC-7300. I'd not yet read about the overload 
issues.

I've never heard the '7300 described as "entry level," but within the 
context of direct-sampling that dscription makes sense. I had a friend try 
to convince me that a '7300 would be just as good as my fully-loaded OII 
(all filters) with a full-loaded RX-366, so I should unload my OII for a 
'7300. I respectfully declined. Yes: if the OII breaks it will become a 
bother to maintain. Even so I have become fond of the user interface; as 
long as it works and does what it's supposed to, it's hard to justify 
replacing it based on performance alone. Certainly not with a '7300. Kim 
N5OP

      From: "rick at dj0ip.de" <Rick at DJ0IP.de>
To: 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment' <tentec at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program

Well many of us are in similar financial situations Mike, but all of us can 
read and we should just simply read what the OEM says/prints and stop 
dreaming.

Direct sampling is a new technology.
This is not an entry level radio, it is an entry level radio into the 
state-of-the-art direct sampling world.
Simply read what they say and don't add anything to it.

"Entry level" on its own is an IC-718 for $600.

This is a great entry level radio for people wishing to become familiar with 
this new technology.
It's not a contest radio (yet), and may never be.

People who replace an Eagle or OM7 with this, hoping for better performance 
are shooting themselves in the foot.
People wanting to learn about the future of ham radio will be pleased with 
the 7300.

As always, it's horses for courses and we must all do our own due diligence.

73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)



-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Bryce
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:17 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program

I have a hard time handling over $1500 for a radio and being told it’s 
‘entry level.’ Nothing like scaring the bejesus out of a new ham who after 
spending all that money for a rig, he/she ends up with ‘entry level’ radio.

Does one really need a $4k/$5k radio to have fun with?

How in the world did you guys survive contesting using the Triton IVs, the 
TS-520s, the FT-101s, and the HW-101s?


Mike WB8VGE








> On Aug 15, 2016, at 1:46 PM, kd3jf.paulgates at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Exactly in plain English what is wrong with the 7300 Paul kw4bd Sent
> from my iPhone
>

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