[TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program

[John Simon]

OK I hit the unsubscribe.





73, John de VK2XGJ
Women and cats will do as they please,
men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea!


-----Original Message----- 
From: Barry N1EU
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:40 AM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program

Because like it or not, the Icom IC7300 is a game changer.  Manufacturers
(including Ten-Tec) beware:  ignore the IC7300 at your own peril.

There's a large group of savvy hams on this reflector who stay current with
the ham market & radio trends and enjoy discussing things that are of a
common interest and this is one of them.  There also happens to be little
of current interest TenTec-wise TO discuss.

If a subject doesn't interest you, learn to either set filters in your
email reader or use the delete key.

73, Barry N1EU

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:22 PM, John Simon <jrsimon at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Ummm, why are we talking about an Icom radio on the Ten-Tec email list?  I
> don't think I could think of a more insulting insult than to do so.
>
>
>
>
>
> 73, John de VK2XGJ
> Women and cats will do as they please,
> men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea!
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: rick at dj0ip.de
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:47 AM
>
> To: 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program
>
> The overload problem was reported by:
>
> Rob Sherwood in his test of the 7300
>>
>
> Adam Farson in his test of the 7300
>>
>
> ARRL/QST in their test of the 7300
>>
>
> RSGB/RadCom in their test of the 7300
>>
>
> DARC/CQ DL in their test of the 7300
>>
>
> The German Magazine FunkAmateur in their test of the 7300
>>
>
> Several contesters in contest forums
>>
>
> And then an ICOM reply in one of the forums where a user had complained to
>> ICOM that his 7300 didn't hack it but his 7410 with optional roofing
>> filters did....
>>
>
> Here is ICOM's reply (from an eham.net review):
> ==================================
> " Thank you for contacting Icom America.
>
> Unfortunately given the extremely harsh operating environment you are
> forced to operate in the IC-7410 with the optional roofing filters or one
> of the higher end rigs will likely be required.  You could try a
> pre-selector with the IC-7300
>
> Click here for information regarding Warranty Registration, Service/Repair
> Authorization form, Knowledge Base & Technical Support:
> http://www.icomamerica.com/en/support/default.aspx
>
> Sincerely,
> ###### (erased tech name)
> Technical Support Representative
> Icom America, Inc.
> 12421 Willows Road NE
> Kirkland, WA 98034 "
> ==================================
>
> ICOM is recommending a preselector if you want to operate the IC-7300 in a
> contest.
> The preselector rejects out of band strong signals and helps reduce front
> end overload.
>
> Hmmmmm, no wonder Jim (and I) have the  “opinion”  that the 7300 has an
> overload problem.
>
> It is what it is:  Over-hyped by the ham community, not by ICOM.
>
> And Ten-Tec has been trashed by the ham community for one year, which
> unfortunately has scared many users into bailing out from their good 
> radios.
>
> For contesting, so far there is still nothing under $2K that is better
> than my Eagle.
> Most likely there will be something in the next year or two using direct
> sampling, but it will have knobs and not require a computer.
>
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly
> Elmore
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:24 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program
>
> Interesting observations on the IC-7300. I'd not yet read about the
> overload issues.
>
> I've never heard the '7300 described as "entry level," but within the
> context of direct-sampling that dscription makes sense. I had a friend try
> to convince me that a '7300 would be just as good as my fully-loaded OII
> (all filters) with a full-loaded RX-366, so I should unload my OII for a
> '7300. I respectfully declined. Yes: if the OII breaks it will become a
> bother to maintain. Even so I have become fond of the user interface; as
> long as it works and does what it's supposed to, it's hard to justify
> replacing it based on performance alone. Certainly not with a '7300. Kim
> N5OP
>
>      From: "rick at dj0ip.de" <Rick at DJ0IP.de>
> To: 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment' <tentec at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program
>
> Well many of us are in similar financial situations Mike, but all of us
> can read and we should just simply read what the OEM says/prints and stop
> dreaming.
>
> Direct sampling is a new technology.
> This is not an entry level radio, it is an entry level radio into the
> state-of-the-art direct sampling world.
> Simply read what they say and don't add anything to it.
>
> "Entry level" on its own is an IC-718 for $600.
>
> This is a great entry level radio for people wishing to become familiar
> with this new technology.
> It's not a contest radio (yet), and may never be.
>
> People who replace an Eagle or OM7 with this, hoping for better
> performance are shooting themselves in the foot.
> People wanting to learn about the future of ham radio will be pleased with
> the 7300.
>
> As always, it's horses for courses and we must all do our own due
> diligence.
>
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Bryce
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:17 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program
>
> I have a hard time handling over $1500 for a radio and being told it’s
> ‘entry level.’ Nothing like scaring the bejesus out of a new ham who after
> spending all that money for a rig, he/she ends up with ‘entry level’ 
> radio.
>
> Does one really need a $4k/$5k radio to have fun with?
>
> How in the world did you guys survive contesting using the Triton IVs, the
> TS-520s, the FT-101s, and the HW-101s?
>
>
> Mike WB8VGE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2016, at 1:46 PM, kd3jf.paulgates at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Exactly in plain English what is wrong with the 7300 Paul kw4bd Sent
>> from my iPhone
>>
>>
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