[TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program

Wed Aug 17 08:48:24 EDT 2016

Sorry, one of the formatting problems with using an iPad instead of a MAC or PC.

Gary

> On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:03 AM, rick at dj0ip.de <Rick at DJ0IP.de> wrote:
> 
> YES!  Too bad the EAGLE isn't twice as big with a much larger screen and proper S-Meter.
> 
> In all of this technical discussion, we seem to forget "THE" single most important point for selecting a radio . . . according to Rob Sherwood.  And it's not Dynamic Range 3!
> 
> According to Rob, the single most important criteria is, "we have to enjoy operating the radio."
> I have used a lot of really good radios that I simply did not like.
> Ergonomics is a big part of it.
> 
> IMO, this is one of the reasons so many people are reluctant to move on to newer technology.
> 
> One of our biggest problems is, technology, especially direct sampling, has enabled us to build outstanding radios into tiny little boxes, AND, it is difficult to convince any OEM that they should still put that radio into a large box with large display.  How about a large front-facing loud speaker?
> 
> I'm tired of having to squint my eyes to read the labels on Buttons or the S-Meter on my Eagle.
> Give me a large box with a huge heat-sink on the back and a large boxer fan running at half speed or less to cool it. It will be inaudible.
> 
> Anyway, perhaps this is part of the dissatisfaction of the 7300.
> Perhaps those trading it back in previously had much larger boxes and were simply uncomfortable with the small size of the 7300.
> 
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary J FollettDukes HiFi
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:50 AM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program
> 
> Paragon ? Maybe… Trade it for an Omni 6+ or an Orion…
> 
> Eagle is a great choice but box is too small for my tastes.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Bwana Bob <wb2vuf at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, isn't there a mid-grade radio between "entry level" and "contest grade"?  I consider entry level to be the Alinco or the ICOM IC-718, both under $1000.  For $1500, I wouldn't expect a super contest radio, but I would expect something better than entry level.  (Ah, when I was a boy, entry level was a used Hammarlund receiver and a Heathkit DX-60A).
>> 
>> -Bob WB2VUF
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/15/2016 2:28 PM, rick at dj0ip.de wrote:
>>> In plain English Paul, it overloads MUCH too easily.
>>> 
>>> To prevent that, you have to use a lot of attenuation; here in Europe 
>>> even more than the radio has built in.
>>> Then it does not overload but you can no longer hear the really weak 
>>> stations.
>>> 
>>> In most day to day operation, this is not a problem.
>>> In contests it is.  In its present state, it is not a serious contest radio.
>>> 
>>> Icom has replied to this point in writing that it is an entry level 
>>> radio, not a high end radio.
>>> 
>>> On the bright side, contrary to many of the other Japanese radios 
>>> shipping today (i.e. 7600 and ALL Yasues), it has a clean transmitter.
>>> 
>>> Icom could fix this radio and potentially make it a great entry level 
>>> radio but they will probably leave it like that so that users wanting 
>>> more must pay more for the next higher radio.  "That" was indeed my 
>>> opinion; the bit on performance is fact.
>>> 
>>> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
>>> (Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> kd3jf.paulgates at gmail.com
>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:47 PM
>>> To: k9yc at arrl.net; Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: 7300 buy back program
>>> 
>>> Exactly in plain English what is wrong with the 7300 Paul kw4bd Sent 
>>> from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Jim Brown <k9yc at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Barry,
>>>> 
>>>> I don't disagree that all mfrs are looking at direct sampling RX, 
>>>> and I
>>> agree that they should be. I'd call that wise investment in R&D. My 
>>> assessment of the 7300 is that it's a budget level product that was 
>>> oversold.
>>>> The fundamental issue right now with that technology is dynamic 
>>>> range with
>>> the available chips, which are in the right price range because of 
>>> the volume built for them by cell phones. Guys are making Flex 6700s 
>>> work in contest superstations because the serious bandpass filtering 
>>> they would need with any radio acts as an RX preselector, limiting 
>>> the bandwidth of the spectrum that can overload the A/D. But that 
>>> won't help in EU or AS, where broadcasters are in the passband of any 
>>> practical filter on 40M, and there are some high power broadcasters 
>>> close enough to  20M to make it a problem there too.
>>>> I think you've been happy with your ANAN in that regard. Are you 
>>>> doing
>>> anything special to address the dynamic range issue?
>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon,8/15/2016 5:22 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:
>>>>> I think dealers and manufacturers have stock piles of ALL 
>>>>> superhets, not just the 7600.  I think Rick is on the mark that the 
>>>>> DEALER is simply motivated to move excess 7600 inventory.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What Rick didn't mention is that there's a fresh rumor making the 
>>>>> rounds that Icom is about to announce a direct sampling SDR 
>>>>> replacement for the 7600.  That's extra motivation to move 7600
>>> inventory.
>>>>> The 7300 has changed the game, period.  Icom is sitting pretty.
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