[TOEC] Fwd: TR 6.59 Cabrillo wrong in SAC
Jan-Eric Rehn - SM3CER
jan-eric.rehn at telia.com
Thu Nov 20 19:07:39 EST 2003
>Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:04:15 +0000
>To: trlog at contesting.com
>From: Jan-Eric Rehn - SM3CER <jan-eric.rehn at telia.com>
>Subject: TR 6.59 Cabrillo wrong in SAC
>
>Hello Tree, Brett, Ingo, Joergen and all other TR-lovers,
>
>I'm also one of the TR-lovers...
>
>However, I don't understand what's wrong with the SAC Cabrillo format.
>
>I am one of the "bodgers", maybe the one that have been working the
>hardest to use the Cabrillo standard for SAC. I only wish I knew what
>"bodger" means. I have looked in a couple of dictionaries, but couldn't
>find that word. I really hope it means I'm a nice guy... :-)
>
>Tree, N6TR writes:
>"Well, the first issue I have is that the SAC is not listed on the
>Cabrillo spec web page - therefore it isn't really correct to say there is
>a Cabrillo standard for the SAC contest".
>
>and Brett, VE2BG writes:
>"If it isn't defined at http://www.kkn.net/~trey/cabrillo/ then it's
>something else - JARTS has Jabrillo, SAC has Scandarillo..."
>I like that "Scandarillo" word, but I don't think it's well meant. You're
>a funny guy, Brett... :-)
>
>Let's look what the "Cabrillo Standard Summary Sheet Proposal V2.0" says:
>
>Please have a look at the "Summary sheet spec" at:
>http://www.kkn.net/~trey/cabrillo/spec.html
>
>I have copied parts of the contents:
>
>- - - - - - - - - -
>CATEGORY: operator-category band-category power-category [mode-category]
>The mode-category must be CW, SSB or MIXED and is only relevant for single
>operator entries in multi-mode contests that permit single mode entries
>such as IARU-HF and the 10 Meter Contest.
>
>CONTEST: contest-name
>The contest-name must be one of the following: AP-SPRINT, ARRL-10,
>ARRL-160, ARRL-DX-CW, ARRL-DX-SSB, ARRL-SS-CW, ARRL-SS-SSB, ARRL-UHF-AUG,
>ARRL-VHF-JAN, ARRL-VHF-JUN, ARRL-VHF-SEP, ARRL-RTTY, BARTG-RTTY,
>CQ-160-CW, CQ-160-SSB CQ-WPX-CW, CQ-WPX-RTTY, CQ-WPX-SSB, CQ-VHF,
>CQ-WW-CW, CQ-WW-RTTY, CQ-WW-SSB, DARC-WAEDC-CW, DARC-WAEDC-RTTY,
>DARC-WAEDC-SSB, IARU-HF, JIDX-CW, JIDX-SSB, NAQP-CW, NAQP-RTTY, NAQP-SSB,
>NA-SPRINT-CW, NA-SPRINT-SSB, NEQP, OCEANIA-DX-CW, OCEANIA-DX-SSB,
>RSGB-IOTA, SAC-CW, SAC-SSB, STEW-PERRY or TARA-RTTY.
>- - - - - - - - - -
>
>As SAC-CW and SAC-SSB are two different contests the "CW" and "SSB" are
>not relevant in "CATEGORY:" for SAC, as you can read in the specifications
>for the category.
>
>The 4th and 3rd contest name from the end of the list of contests are
>SAC-CW and SAC-SSB.
>
>In my opinion that means SAC is listed "on the Cabrillo spec web page".
>
>The Cabrillo QSO template SAC is using is EXACTLY THE SAME AS for "other
>ARRL and CQ contests, Stew Perry contest, Oceania DX Contest & AP Sprint".
>Is THAT the problem - that SAC is not mentioned in that header???
>If it is, I'll ask Trey to add SAC in that header as well.
>
>Please have a look at the "Cabrillo QSO templates" at:
>http://www.kkn.net/~trey/cabrillo/qso-template.html
>
>- - - - - - - - - -
>Cabrillo QSO template for other ARRL and CQ contests, Stew Perry contest,
>Oceania DX Contest & AP Sprint
>
> --------info sent------- -------info
> rcvd--------
>QSO: freq mo date time call rst exch call rst
>exch t
>QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ****** ************* nnn
>****** n
>QSO: 3799 PH 1999-03-06 0711
>HC8N 59 700 W1AW 59 CT 0
>000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>- - - - - - - - - -
>
>Please also have a look at "The SAC CABRILLO format page" in the SAC rules at:
>http://www.sk3bg.se/contest/saccabr.htm
>
>- - - - - - - - - -
>SAC Cabrillo QSO Template:
>
> --------info sent------- -------info
> rcvd--------
>QSO: freq mo date time call rst exch call rst
>exch t
>QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ****** ************* nnn
>****** *
>QSO: 14000 CW 2003-09-20 1748 7S3A 599 1
>4K6GF 599 116 0
>000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>- - - - - - - - - -
>
>I can't see any differences (other than the QSO info of course).
>Well, it's a * instead of n under the letter t in position 81, but I don't
>think that's so important.
>
>Here's how the Cabrillo log looks like made with POST version 6.60 and
>earlier (I used my own CW log from SAC 2000):
>
>START-OF-LOG: 2.0
>CREATED-BY: TR Log POST Version 6.60
>CALLSIGN: 7S3A
>CATEGORY: SINGLE-OP ALL LOW CW
>CLAIMED-SCORE: 239200
>CLUB: TOEC - Top Of Europe Contesters
>NAME: Jan-Eric Rehn
>ADDRESS: Lisatået 18
>ADDRESS: SE-863 32 SUNDSBRUK
>ADDRESS: SWEDEN
>OPERATORS: SM3CER
>QSO: 28000 CW 2000-09-16 1201 7S3A YO8DHD 599 599 1
>QSO: 28000 CW 2000-09-16 1202 7S3A EA4BQ 599 599 2
>QSO: 21000 CW 2000-09-16 1213 7S3A S55A 599
>599 19
>QSO: 21000 CW 2000-09-16 1213 7S3A H2E 599 599 9
>QSO: 21000 CW 2000-09-16 1214 7S3A SP7FGA 599 599 1
>.......
>
>The problem is that there is no header "CONTEST:". There are no sent
>serial numbers and the sent RST is in the wrong place.
>
>If we put one QSO row into the template it looks like this:
>
> --------info sent------- -------info
> rcvd--------
>QSO: freq mo date time call rst exch call rst
>exch t
>QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ****** ************* nnn
>****** *
>QSO: 28000 CW 2000-09-16 1201 7S3A YO8DHD 599 599 1
>000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>
>A Cabrillo log made by POST version 6.60 and earlier is therefore not
>useable in the SAC Log Checking Program.
>
>And here the same log.dat is used in POST version 6.61 and later:
>
>START-OF-LOG: 2.0
>CREATED-BY: TR Log POST Version 6.61
>CALLSIGN: 7S3A
>CONTEST: SAC
>CATEGORY: SINGLE-OP ALL LOW CW
>CLAIMED-SCORE: 239200
>CLUB: TOEC - Top Of Europe Contesters
>NAME: Jan-Eric Rehn
>ADDRESS: Lisatået 18
>ADDRESS: SE-863 32 SUNDSBRUK
>ADDRESS: SWEDEN
>OPERATORS: SM3CER
>QSO: 28000 CW 2000-09-16 1201 7S3A 599 1 YO8DHD 599 1
>QSO: 28000 CW 2000-09-16 1202 7S3A 599 2 EA4BQ 599 2
>QSO: 21000 CW 2000-09-16 1213 7S3A 599 3 S55A 599 19
>QSO: 21000 CW 2000-09-16 1213 7S3A 599 4 H2E 599 9
>QSO: 21000 CW 2000-09-16 1214 7S3A 599 5 SP7FGA 599 1
>.......
>
>If we put the same QSO row into the template it looks like this:
>
> --------info sent------- -------info
> rcvd--------
>QSO: freq mo date time call rst exch call rst
>exch t
>QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ****** ************* nnn
>****** *
>QSO: 28000 CW 2000-09-16 1201 7S3A 599 1 YO8DHD 599 1
>000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>
>In this Cabrillo log we can see that the QSO info are all there and in the
>correct positions. We also find "CONTEST: SAC" and "CATEGORY: SINGLE-OP
>ALL LOW CW" in the Cabrillo header. Of course it would have been better if
>the Cabrillo standard was used, so the info had been: "CONTEST: SAC-CW"
>and "CATEGORY: SINGLE-OP ALL LOW".
>
>We can live with that "error", as I'm also involved with writing the SAC
>Log Checking Program together with the "programmer" SM2EZT. We can see to
>it, that a log with only "CONTEST: SAC" will be read by the program and
>also that "CW" or "SSB" at the end of "CATEGORY:" will be ignored.
>However, it would have been better if we could separate the logs with
>SAC-CW or SAC-SSB in the "CONTEST:" header, instead of looking in the
>"CATEGORY:" header or look in the QSO rows at the date or the mode.
>
>A Cabrillo log made by POST version 6.61 and after is therefore OK and
>useable in the SAC Log Checking Program.
>
>Now I have three questions:
>
>
>1. What is wrong with the SAC Cabrillo specifications?
>
>2. If they are wrong - can someone please guide me, so they will be correct?
>
>3. As you, Brett, got your logs accepted, what are your real complaints?
>
>
>Last - I visited the TR Web Site: http://www.qth.com/tr/ and found the
>following very generous free offer:
>
>Click on "Free Download" in the menu on the left side and you will come to
>the page at: http://www.qth.com/tr/free.html
>
>There you can read:
>
>Download POST Version 6.72a. This is a free version of the TR LOG
>post-contest log processor, that supports the new Cabrillo log format, and
>may be useful for those with older versions of TR LOG (30 December 2002):
>http://www.qth.com/tr/post672a.zip
>
>It can also be downloaded at: http://www.sk3bg.se/contest/files/post672a.zip
>
>With that free POST program a Cabrillo log for SAC will be OK and maybe OK
>for many more contests as well...
>
>73 de Jan
>
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