[TOEC] SAC Landskamp contest is violating the basic fundamentals in all competition

Thu Aug 16 03:33:13 PDT 2012

Tomi,

Dont forget to add enough water, so that flowers will live many years on
the other side of the Finnish pond... ;)

73 de SM6LRR, Mats

2012/8/16 SM5AJV <sm5ajv at qrq.se>

> Tomi!
>
> Save the flowers and put them in the SAC Trophy
> when you send it over to Sweden after the Scandinavian
> Cup result is settled at the end of October!
> <grin>
>
> 73 & Keep up the spirit!
> Ingo SM5AJV
>
>
>
>
> > Dear beloved enemies
> >
> > Hmm... All is relative.
> >
> > For example how is it possible, that OH0 is excluded out of landskamp.
> Even so that Aland do not
> > have own league and is area of SRAL. Like we operated 2012 IARU-contest
> from OH0Z as OH0HQ.
> >
> > That rule was made to keep SM even somehow in competition against OH in
> SAC.
> >
> > The same goal is in NTC. It is not ruling out the original landskamp,
> but adding extra spice by
> > giving also smaller countries chance to be competitive on in principle
> equal basis.
> >
> > Difficult to understand how that is unsportsmanship.
> >
> > I guess last year's OH-project to beat SM smashed you swedes totally.
> >
> > RIP swedish fighting spirit. Tell me where the tomb is, so I will bring
> flowers.
> >
> > Tomi OH6EI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mats Strandberg kirjoitti 16.08.2012 kello 10:11:
> >> Det blev så tyst på debatten hade jag tänkt att säga...
> >>  tryckfelsnisse var
> >> framme :)
> >>
> >> 73 de Mats
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2012/8/16 Mats Strandberg <sm6lrr at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> > Hej Sam,
> >> >
> >> > Var bara litet nyfiken om Du hade några invändningar mot de svar som
> kom?
> >> > Det blev s[ tyst p[ debbaten...  Om jag tolkade avslutningen korrekt
> >> > önskade Du seriösa svar som bemötte ditt inlägg. Jag försökte
> leverera ett
> >> > sådant, men du kanske inte bedömde det som seriöst nog? :)
> >> >
> >> > 73 de Mats RM2D
> >> >
> >> >  2012/8/14 SM3PZG <sm3pzg at lsg.se>
> >> >
> >> >> Hello everybody,
> >> >>
> >> >> I feel that the Landskamp in the SAC contest is violating the basic
> >> >> fundamentals in all competition and that is opponents should from
> start
> >> be
> >> >> equal in strength to make the competition as fair as possible. This
> >> >> fundamental fault just gives the contest a ridicules on unserious
> >> >> impression
> >> >> and something not to take seriously.
> >> >>
> >> >> In all individual sports great effort is taken to match opponents
> >> >> according
> >> >> to skills, experience and strength to make a fair match. Same in team
> >> >> competitions. In competitions between nations every nation sends
> their
> >> >> best
> >> >> players and they are proud the represent their country and of course
> make
> >> >> a
> >> >> 100% effort and go the distance.
> >> >>
> >> >> With the Olympic games in mind we don?t send ALL active swimmers or
> ALL
> >> >> active runners to the competition, we only send the ones that are
> >> >> qualified
> >> >> and that can make a honorable effort.  Same in the Finnkamp only
> first,
> >> >> second and third place count for points.
> >> >>
> >> >> In Sweden all hams are encourage to make just a few qsos and send in
> the
> >> >> log
> >> >> just to beat the Finns. It doesn't matter that everyone knows we have
> >> many
> >> >> more hams then OH not to mention OZ and LA. If we have 100 logs and
> the
> >> >> Finns only 40 logs and the Danish send 20 logs and the Norwegians
> send 10
> >> >> logs should we be proud to win over the Finns? Should we be proud to
> beat
> >> >> OZ
> >> >> and LA? Why are OZ and LA not mention in pre-contest discussion? How
> does
> >> >> OZ
> >> >> and LA feel about this Landskamp? It simply does not make sense and
> looks
> >> >> ridicules.
> >> >>
> >> >> A simple solution to the problem would be easy, just DRAW a LINE in
> the
> >> >> scoreboard. For example the SOAB category only the TOP 5 stations
> count
> >> in
> >> >> the Landskamp. This would have 3 very big benefits. First the
> >> competitions
> >> >> would be FAIR, second OZ and LA would be able to compete on the same
> >> terms
> >> >> as OH and SM. Third this would open up for a qualifying competition
> >> within
> >> >> each country to be one of the five stations to represent their
> nation and
> >> >> would most likely make more stations go the limit and make a better
> >> >> effort.
> >> >> Of course the complete scoreboard should be publish but results only
> >> count
> >> >> inside each nation.
> >> >>
> >> >> The only discussions the contest committee would have is to were to
> draw
> >> >> the
> >> >> lines in each category. The rule itself would be very easy to
> implement.
> >> >>
> >> >> So this is my suggestions on how to make the SAC and the Landskamp a
> fair
> >> >> and equal contest for all Scandinavian countries and a contest to
> take
> >> >> seriously. And who knows this rule might even make TF activate 5
> >> stations.
> >> >>
> >> >> Looking forward to some serious responses
> >> >>
> >> >> 73/Sam     SM3PZG
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> >> >> From: SM5AJV
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:01 AM
> >> >> To: Mats Strandberg
> >> >> Cc: SM5AJV ; toec at contesting.com
> >> >> Subject: Re: [TOEC] Val av lag till SAC 2012 National Team Contesting
> >> >>
> >> >> Tack för ett bra förslag!
> >> >>
> >> >> Jag föreslår följande deadlines för intresseanmälan.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> CW:  3/9
> >> >> SSB: 1/10
> >> >>
> >> >> Intresseanmälan kan skickas till mig via email.
> >> >>
> >> >> Finns det någon hugad, som kan tänka sig ingå i den informella
> >> >> kommittén? Någon i SSA styrelse + någon ytterligare?
> >> >>
> >> >> 73
> >> >> Ingemar SM5AJV
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hej Ingemar!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Uttagningen borde enligt mitt menande gå till enligt följande:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Gör reklam för den nya parallelltävligen och uppmana alla som
> önskar
> >> >> delta
> >> >> > i någon av de fyra klasserna (uppdelat på båda helgerna) anmäla
> sitt
> >> >> > intresse. Ange deadline för intresseanmälan.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Skapa en liten informell kommitte som sedan tillsammans
> argumenterar
> >> och
> >> >> > röstar fram det lag som vi ska tävla med.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Kriterier för urvalet bör baseras på tävlingsmässiga grunder och
> >> >> > målsättningen måste vara att vi BÅDE ska vinna landskampen och
> >> >> > lagtävligen.
> >> >> > Alltså, stationer med bäst föresättningar och mest motivation att
> vinna
> >> >> > för
> >> >> > SM väljs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hur kan man avgöra detta?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Kombination av:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1. Tidigare placering på 10 i skandinaviska topplistan senaste
> åren i
> >> >> SAC
> >> >> > 2. Stationsprestanda
> >> >> > 3. Operatörsskicklighet
> >> >> > 4. Geografisk placering (beror ju ganska mycket vilken typ av
> >> >> konditioner
> >> >> > vi får givetvis)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Genom att tydligt förklara att detta är en alternativ tävling i
> >> >> > tävligenen,
> >> >> > kvarstår fortfarande den traditionella tävlingen som den
> viktigaste. I
> >> >> den
> >> >> > är ALLA resultat värdefulla och med den motiveringen bör man kunna
> både
> >> >> > köra en elitsatning i Teamtävlingen och en folkrörelse i den
> vanliga
> >> >> > Scandinavian Cup.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 73 de LRR, Mats
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Den 10 augusti 2012 10:45 skrev SM5AJV <sm5ajv at qrq.se>:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Hej!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Inför höstens SAC har vi, som annonserats tidigare, introducerat
> ett
> >> >> >> försök i "National Team Contesting". Reglerna för detta finns på
> >> >> >>
> http://sactest.net/blog/rules/national-team-contesting-trial-sac-2012/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hur lagen i respektive land väljs är upp till varje nationellt
> >> förbund.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ett lag består av 6 stationer:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  2 Single Op Multi Band High Power
> >> >> >>  2 Single Op Multi Band Low Power
> >> >> >>  1 Single Op Multi Band Low Power Tribander/Single Element
> >> >> >>  1 Multi Op Single TX entrant
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> För att kunna delta behöver man ha en uppkoppling till
> cqcontest.ru.
> >> >> >> Hur detta skall gå till i detalj, kommer SAC CC presentera senare.
> >> >> >> Men i princip är det:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> * Realtime scoring, d.v.s logprogrammet rapporterar summary sheet
> till
> >> >> >>   cqcontest.ru med jämna mellanrum. Se vidare http://cqcontest.ru
> >> >> >>   där instruktioner finns hur man gör i respektive loggprogram.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> * Realtime video/audio. På cqcontest.ru kan man också ansluta
> >> >> strömmande
> >> >> >>   video och ljud och "åskådaren" kan välja två stationer att
> följa på
> >> >> >> skärmen.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Men, hur vill vi att uttagningen av Sveriges lag skall gå till?
> >> >> >> Fritt fram att tycka till här på reflektorn!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 73
> >> >> >> Ingemar SM5AJV
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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