[TOEC] Fw: Vad är detta?

Göran Ingemar Backman sm5sic at gmail.com
Sun Feb 7 00:33:12 EST 2016 

Correction: I mean souls, not soles. Sorry about the spelling. 73 SIC


2016-02-06 13:04 GMT+00:00 Göran Ingemar Backman <sm5sic at gmail.com>:

> Anybody that has been listening to the band during the last years, has
> been able to notice the increase of special call signs and different
> suffixes. For instance Oman and Bahrain had special call signs last years
> when they celebrated 45 years as independent countries. I operated
> A41OO/45, please see QRZ.com.
>
> The discussion above reflects what is really important for certain people.
>
> If You live in Oman, it was really important when the country turned 45
> years and therefore every ham in A4 could use the suffix /45 in their call
> sign during November 2015.
>
> If You know about Finland, You will understand how serious the situation
> was there 1939-1940, 1941-1944 and 1944-1945 (I am referring to the three
> wars that Finland had during WWII, where most Swedes do not even know that
> Finland was in three wars, not two). All families except for the immigrants
> have older relatives that either died, were wounded or got their minds
> seriously messed up during these wars. These are importants events in
> Finnish history because the freedom of the country had to be paid with a
> heavy toll. Therefore Indepence day in Finland on 6 Dec is a serious day,
> not a carneval. Therefore the veterans are remembered even after their
> death by a special sign on their tomb stones. Therefore using old military
> radio equipment on 40m and 80m during Independece day 6 Dec and
> during Field Marshal Mannerheim day 4 June  with the suffixes /SA and /S is
> something with meaning to the people of Finland.
>
> But if You are only interested in N1MM and CTY files, then the most
> important thing will be to get Your program to run without problems. Your
> whole world is focused on a contest software and its files. It makes sence
> to me, but I feel sorry for these poor soles, that are mentally deprived
> from the rest of the world. After all, there are more important things than
> computer programs and country files
>
>
> 73 de SM5SIC/OH1SIC Göran
>
>
> 2016-02-05 13:23 GMT+00:00 Jan-Eric Rehn <jan-eric.rehn at telia.com>:
>
>> Hi Jari,
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> I also tried to add some calls into N1MM+ and DX4WIN. Both programs
>> updated with fresh CTY.dat today.
>>
>> N1MM+ ver.1.0.5458.0 (Contest log program):
>>
>> OH2BU/S = Unknown country
>> OH2BU/SA = Sweden
>> S/OH2BU = Unknown country
>> SA/OH2BU = Sweden
>>
>> OH1BGG/S = Unknown country
>> OH1BGG/SA = Sweden
>> S/OH1BGG = Unknown country
>> SA/OH1BGG = Sweden
>>
>> DX4WIN ver. 8.05 (Ordinary log program):
>>
>> OH2BU/S = Unknown country
>> OH2BU/SA = Sweden
>> S/OH2BU = Unknown country
>> SA/OH2BU = Sweden
>>
>> OH1BGG/S = Finland
>> OH1BGG/SA = Finland
>> S/OH1BGG = Unknown country
>> SA/OH1BGG = Sweden
>>
>>
>> OH2BU was not amongst the calls in "Retired Callsigns/prefixes:", but
>> OH1BGG was. As the calls under that heading was erased from the new CTY.dat
>> the results in N1MM+ was as expected.
>>
>> The "long" version of CTY.dat is used in "ordinary" log programs, such as
>> DX4WIN and OH1BGG/SA is still there. Therefore the results in DX4WIN is
>> also as expected.
>>
>> But - I still think there are trouble with such additions to a callsign,
>> especially with the use of all the different log programs in the computer.
>> N1MM+ and DX4WIN are only two of all log programs and all the others don't
>> act the same way.
>>
>> That means that calls with the endings /QRP, /QRPP, /QRO, /MM, /AM, /P,
>> /M, /LH, /SA, /S, /60 etc ... needs to be in the "long" CTY.dat to be shown
>> as the correct country (if the log program isn't having some of those
>> endings approved).
>>
>> If more countries will do the same as Finland - how big will that "long"
>> CTY.dat be???
>>
>> Another thing:
>>
>> You wrote:
>> In fact, as you can use any number after your call, you can choose a
>> good number for eg. WPX-contest. I could use OH2BU/4 from my OH2 QTH and
>> have a bigger pile-up.
>>
>> My question is: Can you use OH2BU/0 and then claim you are on OH0???
>> Maybe you can in WPX contest, but what if you use OH2BU/0 in SAC? Then
>> you're definitely in/on OH0...
>>
>> In that case I think we need new rules in SAC.
>>
>> 73 de Jan, SM3CER
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- From: Jari Jussila
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 9:49 AM
>> To: Mats Strandberg
>> Cc: Rune Wande ; TOEC
>> Subject: Re: [TOEC] Fw: Vad är detta?
>>
>>
>>
>> Mats et al.
>>
>> Thanks for good comments!
>>
>> You're right, I forgot the Canadian example.They have been protesting
>> about it for years.
>>
>> 1) Finland does not have (official) districts any more, so when you come
>> here with your CEPT-license, you have to use OH/RM2D or OH0/RM2D. You
>> can tell your QTH by adding the (old) district after your call as
>> OH/RM2D/2 or OH/RM2D/OH2. But, let say, if you use OH2/RM2D I don't
>> think nobody is to protest ....
>>
>> In fact, as you can use any number after your call, you can choose a
>> good number for eg. WPX-contest. I could use OH2BU/4 from my OH2 QTH and
>> have a bigger pile-up.
>>
>> 2) From authorities point of view, they are interesting only in the
>> letters an numbers before "/". Whatever comes after "/" is unofficial
>> and a amateur insider thing, being /QRP, /QRPP, /QRO, /MM, /AM, /P, /M,
>> /LH, /SA, /S, /60 etc ....
>>
>> 3) Yes .... when I write OH2BU/SA in N1MM+, it gives Sweden as my country.
>>
>> Jari, OH2BU
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5.2.2016 10:20, Mats Strandberg wrote:
>>
>>> I also had this Canadian example in mind because I worked VE7AHA/KH6 on
>>> 40
>>> meters in 2013 or 2014. However, the same VE7AHA is now active from
>>> Hawaii
>>> as KH6/VE7AHA, so maybe they changed.
>>>
>>> See you both in a week :)
>>>
>>> 73 de Mats RM2D
>>>
>>> PS  I realized that my note about RA/SM5XYZ needs to be clarified a
>>> little.
>>> What I meant to say is that the same RA/SM5XYZ must be used for work in
>>> all
>>> Russia, and the consequence is that you can work from three different
>>> DXCC-countries with the same call...  Even 4 if the person gets permit
>>> for
>>> Franz Jozef Land (which I doubt) as this is an area that requires
>>> additional permit apart from the visa to visit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Den 5 februari 2016 11:06 skrev Rune Wande<rune.wande at bahnhof.se>:
>>>
>>>
>>> Terve Jari!
>>>> As far as I know, Canadians working from the USA are to be using their
>>>> call like this example: VE8RCS/W6.
>>>> Also as far as I know I am not "allowed" to use W5/SM5COP as I have a
>>>> USA
>>>> call of my own! I am supposed
>>>> to be using my US call. But that has nothing to do with this dicussion,
>>>> Hi!
>>>> See you at the CCF meeting!
>>>> 73 de Rune SM5COP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Den 2016-02-05 kl. 01:48, skrev Jari Jussila:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mats, Janne, Ingemar etc ...
>>>>>
>>>>> My good friend Ben, OH6PA; gave you a good explanation on what these
>>>>> OH#xx/S and /SA stations are.
>>>>>
>>>>> But to have a broaded perpective, we should remember that nowadays the
>>>>> prefix of the country you visit, is not given after your own call but
>>>>> before it. Eg, when I come to Sweden, I'm SM/OH2BU etc.
>>>>> Or ... if you come to Finland, it will be OH/SM5AJV.  I guess it's only
>>>>> one country in the world which use the old system having it's prefix
>>>>> after
>>>>> the visiting call sign, That is Bermuda, still giving the call sign as
>>>>> OH2BU/VP9.
>>>>>
>>>>> All contest programs should understand the new way of having the
>>>>> visiting
>>>>> countries prefix before the call sign and thus understanding, that
>>>>> whatever
>>>>> comes after the call sign after the "/" is not valid.
>>>>>
>>>>> And to go a bit further to the Finnish licensing  ...
>>>>>
>>>>> In Finland it's not compulsory to use /M, /MM, /AM, or /P. You can use
>>>>> them if you like. In fact, in Finland I can have whatever I want after
>>>>> the
>>>>> "/" in the end of my call sign. I can use from my QTH here close to
>>>>> Helsinki OH2BU/SM or OH2BU/P5 or - as Ben wrote, OH2BU/60 if I some day
>>>>> have that anniversary. If it's wise to use OH2BU/P5 is another thing
>>>>> ....
>>>>> but it surely would be legal ..... Whick remains me, that when I back
>>>>> in
>>>>> early 1990's was on Malyj Vysotskij (R1MV), we had to use the call sign
>>>>> given by the Russian PTT - it was OH2BU/MVI written in the license. It
>>>>> was
>>>>> more that twenty G-stations, who said that we are pirates, because /M
>>>>> would
>>>>> be England ....
>>>>>
>>>>> Finska "Amatörradioföreskrift" säger så här: "Förutom vad som
>>>>> fastställts
>>>>> om anropssignalen i 1–4 mom. får efter anropssignalen också fogas ett
>>>>> tilläggstecken eller en teckenserie, avskild med ett snedstreck."
>>>>>
>>>>> Jari, OH2BU
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4.2.2016 22:31, Jan-Eric Rehn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hej Ben!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tack för svaret och förklaringen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oavsett om det är tillåtet att ha dessa tillägg i Finland, så blir det
>>>>>> väldigt problematiskt för alla loggprogram. XXXXX/SA blir ju SM,
>>>>>> Sverige
>>>>>> som land och för prefixjägare blir det SA0 som prefix. Vad /S blir i
>>>>>> loggprogrammen vet jag inte - kanske okänt land. Strul blir det i
>>>>>> vilket
>>>>>> fall som helst. Och att det sedan förekommer en svensk signal med
>>>>>> samma
>>>>>> tillägg är ännu underligare (SM6AAL/S). I Sverige är ju inte ett
>>>>>> sådant
>>>>>> call tillåtet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vad jag känner till, så är det bara ett fåtal tillägg man kan göra
>>>>>> efter
>>>>>> ett call - /AM, /M, /MM och /P och kanske något/några till och vilka
>>>>>> de
>>>>>> flesta loggprogram förstår. T.ex. är ju inte /QRP ett godkänt tillägg
>>>>>> efter
>>>>>> ett call, även om många använder det. Jag tror det t.o.m. finns någon
>>>>>> contest som har i sina regler, att dom som kör QRP ska använda /QRP
>>>>>> efter
>>>>>> callet. Inte bra. Jag hörde också i REF Contest flera franska
>>>>>> stationer som
>>>>>> använde nummerbeteckningarna på sina "departments" efter sina call,
>>>>>> t.ex.
>>>>>> F5XXX/24. Inte heller bra.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nåja, callen stod under rubriken "Retired Callsigns/prefixes:", så det
>>>>>> innebär väl, att de fanns med i några tidigare cty.dat, men att de nu
>>>>>> tas
>>>>>> bort igen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73 de Janne, SM3CER
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hej Janne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaha du undrar varför man har tillägg till suffix  förstår jag
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jo det är så att 2 gånger i året hålls en antikradio aktivitet
>>>>>> Den största och viktigaste går av stapeln vid Finlands
>>>>>> självständighetsdag
>>>>>> den 6 december
>>>>>> Den andra är Finlands armés flaggdag då det hålles många parader
>>>>>> Den infaller på Marsalk Mannerheims födelsedag den 4 Juni
>>>>>> Aktiviteten begränsad till 80m och 40m
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aktiviteten med radio består i att man aktiverar gamla militär
>>>>>> radiostationer
>>>>>> Som man restaurerat.
>>>>>> först kör man CW sedan AM
>>>>>> Nu lommer jag it tillägget i suffixet
>>>>>> Enligt telekonventionen får man göra tilläg till SUFFIXET tex om man
>>>>>> fyller
>>>>>> 50 år så sätt dit /50
>>>>>> Första två teckknen i en anrops signal hänvisar till i vilket land
>>>>>> stationen
>>>>>> befinner sig och det är obligatoriskt
>>>>>> Sen till det som förbryllar dig förstår jag (Jag har påpekat detta
>>>>>> till
>>>>>> traditionsradisterna att det finns frågor om detta)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /SA = Suomen Armeija (Finska Armén)
>>>>>> De stationer som har det tillägget använder stationer som har använts
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> WWII
>>>>>> icke enbart finsktillverkade
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /S = Sotilas = Soldat Det tillägget användes av stationer som använts
>>>>>> av
>>>>>> någon armé
>>>>>> ( Jag kör OI6SP/S med Ra200 alltså = /S Kör jag med 2W-Br/40 =/SA )
>>>>>> Stationer som har tillägg efter anrops signalen måste ha en armé
>>>>>> station
>>>>>> som
>>>>>> är minst 30 år gammal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alltså detta /SA har inget att göra med svenska PREFIXE SA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hälsa Rune
>>>>>> Och fins det flera frågor fins jag på Radiomässan i Eskilstuna 2
>>>>>> aprill
>>>>>> Får gärna förklaras i QTC angående Prefix och Suffix
>>>>>> Mailet med svar får du gärna sätt ut i TOEC spridningen
>>>>>> Aktiviteten är ingen tävling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73's de Ben OH6PA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan-Eric Rehn"<
>>>>>> jan-eric.rehn at telia.com>
>>>>>> To:<oh6pa at sral.fi>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 7:29 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Fw: [TOEC] Vad är detta?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hej Ben!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vet du vad detta är???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73 de Janne, SM3CER
>>>>>>> SSA HF Contest Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- From: Rune Wande
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 6:13 PM
>>>>>>> To: toec at contesting.com ; Jan-Eric rehn
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TOEC] Vad är detta?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> En som säkert vet är OH6PA.
>>>>>>> Han går nog att nå lätt och på svenska.
>>>>>>> 73 de Rune SM5COP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Den 2016-02-04 kl. 18:09, skrev Jan-Eric Rehn:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hej Mats!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nej, jag har inte skrivit till “dem”. Vilka dem menar du att jag
>>>>>>>> skulle
>>>>>>>> ha skrivit till?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 73 de Janne, SM3CER
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Mats Strandberg
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:59 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Jan-Eric Rehn
>>>>>>>> Cc: TOEC
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TOEC] Vad är detta?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Synnerligen märkligt...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 73 de Mats LRR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS  Antar att du skrivit till dem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Den 4 februari 2016 19:55 skrev Jan-Eric Rehn<
>>>>>>>> jan-eric.rehn at telia.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Hej!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     CTY-2602 Country Files - 04 February 2016 har kommit idag.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Där hittar jag följande info:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     * OH1BGG/SA, OH1FJ/S, OH1SJ/S, OH1TX/SA, OH2BMB/SA, OH2BNX/SA,
>>>>>>>> OH2MEE/SA,
>>>>>>>>     OH2NAS/SA, OH2ZY/S, OH3FJQ/SA, OH3HB/S, OH3HHO/SA, OH3KRB/S,
>>>>>>>> OH3MY/S,
>>>>>>>> OH6FA/SA,
>>>>>>>>     OH6FSQ/S, OH6K/S, OH6QR/SA, OH9AR/S, OI3V/S, OI3V/SA, OI6SP/S
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> OI7AX/S
>>>>>>>>     in Finland, OH
>>>>>>>>     * SM6AAL/S in Sweden, SM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     /S och /SA - vad är det för konstiga hemsnickrade tillägg?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     OH1BGG/SA blir ju SM, Sverige i alla loggprogram och SA0 som
>>>>>>>> prefix.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Inget som PTS ligger bakom i alla fall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     73 de Janne, SM3CER
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