I noticed "W3BY" was in the ZL7DK logs using a 30' top loaded vertical antenna on 160m. Just thought he deserved an honorable mention for a short top loaded vertical. 73's Ed - N5NUG -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/topband.html Submissions: topband@contesting.com Administrative requests: topband-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-topband@contesting.com