Tom, Go to http://www.radio-ware.com/ look at Antennas, somewhere in there you will find ICE boxes with and without preamps. Otherwise, go find Industrial Communications Engineers for their web site. 73, de Joe Blackwell - aa4nn -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/topband.html Submissions: topband@contesting.com Administrative requests: topband-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-topband@contesting.com