Tom, What about 4 1/4 wave elevated radials at 16 ft over say 32 radials between 90 and 120 feet long an inch in the ground? Is there an advantage to that configuration?? Pete N8PR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/topband Submissions: topband@contesting.com Administrative requests: topband-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-topband@contesting.com