Dare is another mfg of electric fence insulators that can be used for a multiplicity of uses. They come in bags of 25 with nails supplied. I carry them as do most Agways, Farm and Fleet and other ag stores. 73, Craig Clark, K1QX RADIOWARE AND RADIO BOOKSTORE PO BOX 209 RINDGE NH 03461 603 899 6957 WWW.RADIO-WARE.COM