Robert I use a simple outdoor receive loop for 160 meter operation that I mounted on a rotator and have had good results with it since 2004. I have a website about the antenna at http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf40.htm . 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA http://www.nz4o.com